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 | | From: | 吲信Ё | | Subject: | Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:55:41 -0800 |
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 | Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
Charles fights death penalty for converts
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 18/12/2004)
The Prince of Wales is brokering efforts to end the Muslim death penalty on
converts to other faiths, The Telegraph has learned.
He held a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House
this month to explore the centuries-old Islamic law under which apostates
face persecution and even death.
His intervention follows mounting anger at the treatment of Muslims who have
converted to Christianity in a number of Islamic states.
As an advocate of inter-faith dialogue, Prince Charles has come under
pressure to criticise the religious law that, campaigners say, has resulted
in hundreds of executions in countries from Iran to Sudan.
Among the Christians at the confidential meeting was an Anglican archbishop
from a part of Nigeria where Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
Others included the Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, and the
Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali.
It is understood that the Muslim group, which included the Islamic scholar
Zaki Badawi, cautioned the prince and other non-Muslims against speaking
publicly on the issue.
It argued that Islamic moderates could have more influence on the
traditional position if the debate remained largely internal.
A member of the Christian group said yesterday that he was "very, very
unhappy" about the outcome.
Patrick Sookhdeo, the international director of the Barnabas Fund which
campaigns on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad, stressed that he was
speaking on the record only because details of the meeting had already
leaked.
He urged the prince and Muslim leaders in Britain to criticise openly the
traditional Islamic law on apostasy, calling for it to be abolished
throughout the world.
"My view, and I think the other Christians shared it, is that when something
is wrong it must be stated as a wrong."
Other Christian leaders were more sympathetic to the worries of the Muslims
that public criticism could prove counter-productive.
Besides Dr Sookhdeo and the Bishops of London and Rochester, others
Christian leaders at the meeting included the Archbishop of Kaduna in
Nigeria, the Most Rev Josiah Idowu-Fearon, and a bishop from the Orthodox
Church.
Other Muslim leaders included Sayyed Yousef al-Khoei, the director of the
London-based Al-Khoei Foundation, and Sher Khan, of the Islamic Society of
Britain.
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/18/nprince18.xml
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| | From: | Martin Willett | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:49:56 -0000 |
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| Where does Christianity come into this? Leave Islam and you're dead.
That's the rule.
The existence of this law, custom, tradition or whatever it is puts
Islam beyond the pale. There is no obligation to be tolerant,
permissive and liberal to the intolerant and illiberal.
We would not tolerate a new Christian cult which used such methods of
mind control and taught such things as death to apostates (whether it
was carried through or not) it would be condemned by all
right-thinking people, there would be pickets outside its buildings
and you can imagine what The Sun would say to suggestions that they
set up special religious schools using taxpayer's money. Why is it
respectable because it is bigger than a cult?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| | From: | Mounir Hanna | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:50:28 GMT |
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| this attitude of moslems killing any one who get out of islam is aconcrete
proof that islam did spread and kept by the power of the sword.
"Martin Willett" wrote in message
news:32vf5mF3r3j7gU1@individual.net...
> Where does Christianity come into this? Leave Islam and you're dead.
> That's the rule.
>
> The existence of this law, custom, tradition or whatever it is puts
> Islam beyond the pale. There is no obligation to be tolerant,
> permissive and liberal to the intolerant and illiberal.
>
> We would not tolerate a new Christian cult which used such methods of
> mind control and taught such things as death to apostates (whether it
> was carried through or not) it would be condemned by all
> right-thinking people, there would be pickets outside its buildings
> and you can imagine what The Sun would say to suggestions that they
> set up special religious schools using taxpayer's money. Why is it
> respectable because it is bigger than a cult?
>
> --
> Martin Willett
>
> http://mwillett.org/
>
>
>
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| | From: | Tommy | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:04:07 -0500 |
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| 吲信Ё wrote:
> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>
Damn! the Raghead Semites are almsot as bad as the hook-nose Semites.
Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where
he is not known and do the evil there.
Jews are Divine:
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be
killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:
Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him
for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status:
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it
does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old
man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
Cuthean ... "
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:
Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has
"exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human:
Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer with cows.
Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant
of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored"
text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the
hairdresser," had with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young:
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died:
"Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not
actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not
live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four
years old."
Says Jesus was a Sorcerer:
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene")
was executed because he practiced sorcery.
Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus Christ:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus (see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu
was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be
made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
Talmud Attacks Christians
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud
will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11
for the definition of minim).
Christian Book Burning
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see
footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e.
the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament
books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. "Jewish History, Jewish
Religion," Pluto Press, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the
shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way
is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had ual intercourse with all the animals
in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three
years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have with a child as long as the child is less
than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is
nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry
a Jewish priest. A woman who has with a demon is also eligible to marry
a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi
Eleazar has not had with.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi
won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a
man should not have ual intercourse till he has waited long enough to
walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time;
if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director
shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and
falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other
Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this
cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own.
These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish
kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity
and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew
should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if
he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it
loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between
two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special
dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a
crossroads.
Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have during the day
unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have during the
day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims
that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar.
Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls
and burned alive by the Romans.
(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the
entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four
billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission
Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine
stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact
that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would
make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is
permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in
Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
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| | From: | Peter | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sun, 19 Dec 2004 04:26:49 -0500 |
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| WHAT DO YOU FILTHY NAZIS PROCLAIM. YOU FILTHY WHORE DOGS. THE NAZIS STOLE
FROM EVERY THING THAT WAS NOT BOLTED DOWN BY A MILLION BOLTS. THE NAZIS
BIGGEST MURDERERS IN HISTORY.
--
PETER
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
"Tommy" wrote in message
news:2285325.LPaQ9t8y4d@FreeBSD...
> 吲信Ё wrote:
>
>> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>>
>
> Damn! the Raghead Semites are almsot as bad as the hook-nose Semites.
>
> Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
>
> The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
>
> Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
>
> Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city
> where
> he is not known and do the evil there.
>
> Jews are Divine:
>
> Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be
> killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
>
> It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:
>
> Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him
> for work.
>
> Jews Have Superior Legal Status:
>
> Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
> is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
> Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."
>
> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
>
> Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it
> does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
>
> Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an
> old
> man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
> Cuthean ... "
>
> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:
>
> Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
> death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
>
> Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has
> "exposed their money to Israel."
>
> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
>
> Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a
> Gentile.
>
> Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human:
>
> Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
>
> Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
> birth.
>
> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer with cows.
> Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
>
> Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the
> descendant
> of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
>
> Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored"
> text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the
> hairdresser," had with many men.
>
> Gloats over Christ Dying Young:
>
> A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus
> died:
> "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not
> actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall
> not
> live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or
> thirty-four
> years old."
>
> Says Jesus was a Sorcerer:
>
> Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the
> Nazarene")
> was executed because he practiced sorcery.
>
> Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus Christ:
>
> Gittin 57a. Says Jesus (see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot
> excrement."
>
> Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover,
> Yeshu
> was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be
> made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
> Talmud Attacks Christians
>
> Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud
> will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote
> #11
> for the definition of minim).
> Christian Book Burning
>
> Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see
> footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
>
> Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians,
> i.e.
> the New Testament.
>
> Dr. Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New
> Testament
> books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. "Jewish History, Jewish
> Religion," Pluto Press, p. 21).
> Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
>
> Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the
> shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
>
> Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way
> is given.
>
> Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had ual intercourse with all the animals
> in the Garden of Eden.
>
> Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
>
> Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three
> years "and a day" old).
>
> Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have with a child as long as the child is
> less
> than nine years old.
>
> Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it
> is
> nothing."
>
> Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to
> marry
> a Jewish priest. A woman who has with a demon is also eligible to
> marry
> a Jewish priest.
>
> Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi
> Eleazar has not had with.
>
> Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
>
> Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi
> won the debate.
>
> Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a
> man should not have ual intercourse till he has waited long enough to
> walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that
> time;
> if he does, his children will be epileptic."
>
> Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
> exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director
> shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and
> falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two
> other
> Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this
> cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own.
> These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish
> kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity
> and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
>
> Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew
> should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if
> he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it
> loosens the limbs."
>
> Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass
> between
> two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special
> dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a
> crossroads.
>
> Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have during the
> day
> unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have during
> the
> day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
> Tales of a Roman Holocaust
>
> Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims
> that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar.
> Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls
> and burned alive by the Romans.
>
> (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the
> entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four
> billion Jews).
> A Revealing Admission
>
> Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine
> stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact
> that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would
> make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is
> permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in
> Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
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| | From: | Perfesser White | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | 19 Dec 2004 18:41:46 GMT |
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| In article ,
"Peter" wrote:
> THE NAZIS BIGGEST MURDERERS IN HISTORY.
> --
> PETER
I believe that distinction goes to the Communists.
Perfesser White
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| | From: | Pom | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:53:12 GMT |
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| Would that be the Russian or Chinese Communists ?
"Perfesser White" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "Peter" wrote:
>
>> THE NAZIS BIGGEST MURDERERS IN HISTORY.
>> --
>> PETER
>
> I believe that distinction goes to the Communists.
>
> Perfesser White
>
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| | From: | Tommy | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:00:47 -0500 |
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| Pom wrote:
> Would that be the Russian or Chinese Communists ?
>
That would be the Jewish Bolsheviks that were responsible for the Holocaust
of 20-Million Gentiles..(We Must Never Forget)
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How did the Bolsheviks, a small movement guided by the teachings of
German-Jewish social philosopher Karl Marx, succeed in taking control of
Russia and imposing a cruel and despotic regime on its people?
In recent years, Jews around the world have been voicing anxious concern
over the specter of anti-Semitism in the lands of the former Soviet Union.
In this new and uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred
and rage against Jews are once again being expressed. According to one
public opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted
all Jews to leave the country. But precisely why is anti-Jewish sentiment
so widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so many
Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame "the Jews" for so much
misfortune?
A Taboo Subject
Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the
country's total population, they played a highly disproportionate and
probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively
dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians,
along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to
ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky
(Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet
foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee
-- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the
Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading
revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press
commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov
(Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also
one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was
a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.
A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties
with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. "An intelligent
Russian," he once remarked, "is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish
blood in his veins."
Critical Meetings
In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably
critical.
Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin
convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the
key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful
decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who
took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including
Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews.
To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It
consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and
four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev). Meanwhile, the
Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established
an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the
seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one
Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews. Finally, to supervise the organization
of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man
"Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It
consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole
(Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).
Contemporary Voices of Warning
Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the
time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one,
warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London
Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for
the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to
write:
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism
and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these
international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a
very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable
exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover,
the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.
Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate,
Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski
cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator
of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the
Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And
the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism
applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution
[the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses
Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in
the breasts of the Russian people.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January
1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are
Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or
any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a
few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it
is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world
as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose
one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community
paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish
discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."
As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling
Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made
anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the
first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish
sentiment. Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as
indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in
Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because
so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in
Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new
intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."
Historians' Views
Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport
writes:
Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over
their high representation in the new government. Lenin's first Politburo
was dominated by men of Jewish origins
Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution,
including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate
anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because of
the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in
the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo
Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined
the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul
of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.
The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin's dying days was headed by
the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose
vanity knew no bounds.
"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote
Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding
himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator." In
Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka
agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian
history. (Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was
later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)
In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy,
the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar
and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed
Lenin's execution order.
Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply
criticized the Jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and
establishing Communist rule in his country. Shafarevich was a leading
dissident during the final decades of Soviet rule. A prominent human rights
activist, he was a founding member of the Committee on the Defense of Human
Rights in the USSR.
In Russophobia, a book written ten years before the collapse of Communist
rule, he noted that Jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of
the Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic Jewishness of the Bolshevik
executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution of
Nicholas II:
This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian history, so
that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in England or
Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an insignificant
ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this painful action,
which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names do we meet? The
execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky who shot the Tsar; the
president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov (Vaisbart); the person
responsible for the general administration in Ekaterinburg was Shaya
Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the wall of the room where the
execution took place was a distich from a poem by Heine (written in German)
about King Balthazar, who offended Jehovah and was killed for the offense.
In his 1920 book, British veteran journalist Robert Wilton offered a
similarly harsh assessment:
The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the
stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by
the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and
carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and
Yurovsky, is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile
invader.
In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin
emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to
death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders -
including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time,
and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the
Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.
Put To Death Without Trial
For a few months after taking power, Bolshevik leaders considered bringing
"Nicholas Romanov" before a "Revolutionary Tribunal" that would publicize
his "crimes against the people" before sentencing him to death. Historical
precedent existed for this. Two European monarchs had lost their lives as a
consequence of revolutionary upheaval: England's Charles I was beheaded in
1649, and France's Louis XVI was guillotined in 1793.
In these cases, the king was put to death after a lengthy public trial,
during which he was allowed to present arguments in his defense. Nicholas
II, though, was neither charged nor tried. He was secretly put to death -
along with his family and staff -- in the dead of night, in an act that
resembled more a gangster-style massacre than a formal execution.
Why did Lenin and Sverdlov abandon plans for a show trial of the former
Tsar? In Wilton's view, Nicholas and his family were murdered because the
Bolshevik rulers knew quite well that they lacked genuine popular support,
and rightly feared that the Russian people would never approve killing the
Tsar, regardless of pretexts and legalistic formalities.
For his part, Trotsky defended the massacre as a useful and even necesssary
measure. He wrote:
The decision [to kill the imperial family] was not only expedient but
necessary. The severity of this punishment showed everyone that we would
continue to fight on mercilessly, stopping at nothing. The execution of the
Tsar's family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify, and
instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy but also to shake up our own
ranks, to show that there was no turning back, that ahead lay either total
victory or total doom This Lenin sensed well.
Historical Context
In the years leading up to the 1917 revolution, Jews were disproportionately
represented in all of Russia's subversive leftist parties. Jewish hatred of
the Tsarist regime had a basis in objective conditions. Of the leading
European powers of the day, imperial Russia was the most institutionally
conser-vative and anti-Jewish. For example, Jews were normally not
permitted to reside outside a large area in the west of the Empire known as
the "Pale of Settlement."
However understandable, and perhaps even defensible, Jewish hostility toward
the imperial regime may have been, the remarkable Jewish role in the vastly
more despotic Soviet regime is less easy to justify. In a recently
published book about the Jews in Russia during the 20th century,
Russian-born Jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the
Jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of the
Jews." She points, for example, to the prominent role of Jews as
commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role of
Jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian churches.
Moreover, she goes on, "The Jews of the entire world supported Soviet
power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the
opposition." In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim prediction:
The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the
subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged Soviet
power will be equated with Jewish power, and the furious hatred against the
Bolsheviks will become hatred against Jews.
If the past is any indication, it is unlikely that many Russians will seek
the revenge that Margolina prophecies. Anyway, to blame "the Jews" for the
horrors of Communism seems no more justifiable than to blame "white people"
for Negro slavery, or "the Germans" for the Second World War or "the
Holocaust."
Words of Grim Portent
Nicholas and his family are only the best known of countless victims of a
regime that openly proclaimed its ruthless purpose. A few weeks after the
Ekaterinburg massacre, the newspaper of the fledgling Red Army declared:
Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies by the scores of
hundreds, let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own
blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritskii let there be floods of blood of
the bourgeoisie -- more blood, as much as possible.
Grigori Zinoviev, speaking at a meeting of Communists in September 1918,
effectively pronounced a death sentence on ten million human beings: "We
must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet
Russia's inhabitants. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They
must be annihilated."
'The Twenty Million'
As it turned out, the Soviet toll in human lives and suffering proved to be
much higher than Zinoviev's murderous rhetoric suggested. Rarely, if ever,
has a regime taken the lives of so many of its own people.
Citing newly-available Soviet KGB documents, historian Dmitri Volkogonov,
head of a special Russian parliamentary commission, recently concluded that
"from 1929 to 1952 21.5 million [Soviet] people were repressed. Of these a
third were shot, the rest sentenced to imprisonment, where many also died."
Olga Shatunovskaya, a member of the Soviet Commission of Party Control, and
head of a special commission during the 1960s appointed by premier
Khrushchev, has similarly concluded: "From January 1, 1935 to June 22,
1941, 19,840,000 enemies of the people were arrested. Of these, seven
million were shot in prison, and a majority of the others died in camp."
These figures were also found in the papers of Politburo member Anastas
Mikoyan.
Robert Conquest, the distinguished specialist of Soviet history, recently
summed up the grim record of Soviet "repression" of it own people:
It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the post-1934 death toll was well
over ten million. To this should be added the victims of the 1930-1933
famine, the kulak deportations, and other anti-peasant campaigns, amounting
to another ten million plus. The total is thus in the range of what the
Russians now refer to as 'The Twenty Million'."
A few other scholars have given significantly higher estimates.
The Tsarist Era in Retrospect
With the dramatic collapse of Soviet rule, many Russians are taking a new
and more respectful look at their country's pre-Communist history,
including the era of the last Romanov emperor. While the Soviets -- along
with many in the West -- have stereotypically portrayed this era as little
more than an age of arbitrary despotism, cruel suppression and mass
poverty, the reality is rather different. While it is true that the power
of the Tsar was absolute, that only a small minority had any significant
political voice, and that the mass of the empire's citizens were peasants,
it is worth noting that Russians during the reign of Nicholas II had
freedom of press, religion, assembly and association, protection of private
property, and free labor unions. Sworn enemies of the regime, such as
Lenin, were treated with remarkable leniency.
During the decades prior to the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian
economy was booming. In fact, between 1890 and 1913, it was the fastest
growing in the world. New rail lines were opened at an annual rate double
that of the Soviet years. Between 1900 and 1913, iron production increased
by 58 percent, while coal production more than doubled. Exported Russian
grain fed all of Europe. Finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia
witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life.
Everything changed with the First World War, a catastrophe not only for
Russia, but for the entire West.
Monarchist Sentiment
In spite of (or perhaps because of) the relentless official campaign during
the entire Soviet era to stamp out every uncritical memory of the Romanovs
and imperial Russia, a virtual cult of popular veneration for Nicholas II
has been sweeping Russia in recent years.
People have been eagerly paying the equivalent of several hours' wages to
purchase portraits of Nicholas from street vendors in Moscow, St.
Petersburg and other Russian cities. His portrait now hangs in countless
Russian homes and apartments. In late 1990, all 200,000 copies of a first
printing of a 30-page pamphlet on the Romanovs quickly sold out. Said one
street vendor: "I personally sold four thousand copies in no time at all.
It's like a nuclear explosion. People really want to know about their Tsar
and his family." Grass roots pro-Tsarist and monarchist organizations have
sprung up in many cities.
A public opinion poll conducted in 1990 found that three out of four Soviet
citizens surveyed regard the killing of the Tsar and his family as a
despicable crime. Many Russian Orthodox believers regard Nicholas as a
martyr. The independent "Orthodox Church Abroad" canonized the imperial
family in 1981, and the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church has been under
popular pressure to take the same step, in spite of its long-standing
reluctance to touch this official taboo. The Russian Orthodox Archbishop of
Ekaterinburg announced plans in 1990 to build a grand church at the site of
the killings. "The people loved Emperor Nicholas," he said. "His memory
lives with the people, not as a saint but as someone executed without court
verdict, unjustly, as a sufferer for his faith and for orthodoxy."
On the 75th anniversary of the massacre (in July 1993), Russians recalled
the life, death and legacy of their last Emperor. In Ekaterinburg, where a
large white cross festooned with flowers now marks the spot where the
family was killed, mourners wept as hymns were sung and prayers were said
for the victims.
Reflecting both popular sentiment and new social-political realities, the
white, blue and red horizontal tricolor flag of Tsarist Russia was
officially adopted in 1991, replacing the red Soviet banner. And in 1993,
the imperial two-headed eagle was restored as the nation's official emblem,
replacing the Soviet hammer and sickle. Cities that had been re-named to
honor Communist figures -- such as Leningrad, Kuibyshev, Frunze, Kalinin,
and Gorky -- have re-acquired their Tsarist-era names. Ekaterinburg, which
had been named Sverdlovsk by the Soviets in 1924 in honor of the
Soviet-Jewish chief, in September 1991 restored its pre-Communist name,
which honors Empress Catherine I.
Symbolic Meaning
In view of the millions that would be put to death by the Soviet rulers in
the years to follow, the murder of the Romanov family might not seem of
extraordinary importance. And yet, the event has deep symbolic meaning. In
the apt words of Harvard University historian Richard Pipes:
The manner in which the massacre was prepared and carried out, at first
denied and then justified, has something uniquely odious about it,
something that radically distinguishes it from previous acts of regicide
and brands it as a prelude to twentieth-century mass murder.
Another historian, Ivor Benson, characterized the killing of the Romanov
family as symbolic of the tragic fate of Russia and, indeed, of the entire
West, in this century of unprecedented agony and conflict.
The murder of the Tsar and his family is all the more deplorable because,
whatever his failings as a monarch, Nicholas II was, by all accounts, a
personally decent, generous, humane and honorable man.
The Massacre's Place in History
The mass slaughter and chaos of the First World War, and the revolutionary
upheavals that swept Europe in 1917-1918, brought an end not only to the
ancient Romanov dynasty in Russia, but to an entire continental social
order. Swept away as well was the Hohenzollern dynasty in Germany, with its
stable constitutional monarchy, and the ancient Habsburg dynasty of
Austria-Hungary with its multinational central European empire. Europe's
leading states shared not only the same Christian and Western cultural
foundations, but most of the continent's reigning monarchs were related by
blood. England's King George was, through his mother, a first cousin of
Tsar Nicholas, and, through his father, a first cousin of Empress
Alexandra. Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm was a first cousin of the German-born
Alexandra, and a distant cousin of Nicholas.
More than was the case with the monarchies of western Europe, Russia's Tsar
personally symbolized his land and nation. Thus, the murder of the last
emperor of a dynasty that had ruled Russia for three centuries not only
symbolically presaged the Communist mass slaughter that would claim so many
Russian lives in the decades that followed, but was symbolic of the
Communist effort to kill the soul and spirit of Russia itself.
Notes
1. Edvard Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp. 327,
344-346.; Bill Keller, "Cult of the Last Czar," The New York Times, Nov.
21, 1990.
2. From an April 1935 entry in "Trotsky's Diary in Exile." Quoted in:
Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), pp. 770,
787.; Robert K. Massie, Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp.
496-497.; E. Radzinksy, The Last Tsar (New York: Doubleday, 1992), pp.
325-326.; Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 349-350.
3. On Wilton and his career in Russia, see: Phillip Knightley, The First
Casualty (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1976), pp. 141-142, 144-146, 151-152,
159, 162, 169, and, Anthony Summers and Tom Mangold, The File on the Tsar
(New York: Harper and Row, 1976), pp. 102-104, 176.
4. AP dispatch from Moscow, Toronto Star, Sept. 26, 1991, p. A2.; Similarly,
a 1992 survey found that one-fourth of people in the republics of Belarus
(White Russia) and Uzbekistan favored deporting all Jews to a special
Jewish region in Russian Siberia. "Survey Finds Anti-Semitism on Rise in
Ex-Soviet Lands," Los Angeles Times, June 12, 1992, p. A4.
5. At the turn of the century, Jews made up 4.2 percent of the population of
the Russian Empire. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990),
p. 55 (fn.). By comparison, in the United States today, Jews make up less
than three percent of the total population (according to the most
authoritative estimates).
6. See individual entries in: H. Shukman, ed., The Blackwell Encyclopedia of
the Russian Revolution (Oxford: 1988), and in: G. Wigoder, ed., Dictionary
of Jewish Biography (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1991). The prominent
Jewish role in Russia's pre-1914 revolutionary underground, and in the
early Soviet regime, is likewise confirmed in: Stanley Rothman and S.
Robert Lichter, Roots of Radicalism (New York: Oxford, 1982), pp. 92-94. In
1918, the Bolshevik Party's Central Committee had 15 members. German
scholar Herman Fehst -- citing published Soviet records -- reported in his
useful 1934 study that of six of these 15 were Jews. Herman Fehst,
Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das j黡ische Element in der F黨rerschaft des
Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 68-72.; Robert Wilton, though, reported
that in 1918 the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party had twelve
members, of whom nine were of Jewish origin and three were of Russian
ancestry. R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (IHR, 1993), p. 185.
7. After years of official suppression, this fact was acknowledged in 1991
in the Moscow weekly Ogonyok. See: Jewish Chronicle (London), July 16,
1991.; See also: Letter by L. Horwitz in The New York Times, Aug. 5, 1992,
which cites information from the Russian journal "Native Land Archives.";
"Lenin's Lineage?"'Jewish,' Claims Moscow News," Forward (New York City),
Feb. 28, 1992, pp. 1, 3.; M. Checinski, Jerusalem Post (weekly
international edition), Jan. 26, 1991, p. 9.
8. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: Knopf, 1990), p. 352.
9. Harrison E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia's Revolutions,
1905-1917 (Doubleday, 1978), p. 475.; William H. Chamberlin, The Russian
Revolution (Princeton Univ. Press, 1987), vol. 1, pp. 291-292.; Herman
Fehst, Bolschewismus und Judentum: Das j黡ische Element in der F黨rerschaft
des Bolschewismus (Berlin: 1934), pp. 42-43.; P. N. Pospelov, ed., Vladimir
Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp. 318-319. This
meeting was held on October 10 (old style, Julian calendar), and on October
23 (new style). The six Jews who took part were: Uritsky, Trotsky, Kamenev,
Zinoviev, Sverdlov and Soklonikov. The Bolsheviks seized power in
Petersburg on October 25 (old style) -- hence the reference to the "Great
October Revolution" -- which is November 7 (new style).
10. William H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution (1987), vol. 1, p. 292.;
H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia's Revolutions, 1905-1917
(1978), p. 475.
11. W. H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 1, pp. 274, 299, 302,
306.; Alan Moorehead, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1965), pp. 235,
238, 242, 243, 245.; H. Fehst, Bolschewismus und
Judentum (Berlin: 1934), pp. 44, 45.
12. H. E. Salisbury, Black Night, White Snow: Russia's Revolutions,
1905-1917 (1978), p. 479-480.; Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalin: Triumph and
Tragedy (New York: Grove Weidenfeld, 1991), pp. 27-28, 32.; P. N. Pospelov,
ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966), pp.
319-320.
13. "Zionism versus Bolshevism: A struggle for the soul of the Jewish
people," Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920. Facsimile
reprint in: William Grimstad, The Six Million Reconsidered (1979), p. 124.
(At the time this essay was published, Churchill was serving as minister of
war and air.)
14. David R. Francis, Russia from the American Embassy (New York: 1921), p.
214.
15. Foreign Relations of the United States -- 1918 -- Russia, Vol. 1
(Washington, DC: 1931), pp. 678-679.
16. American Hebrew (New York), Sept. 1920. Quoted in: Nathan Glazer and
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Beyond the Melting Pot (Cambridge, Mass.: 1963),
p. 268.
17. C. Jacobson, "Jews in the USSR" in: American Review on the Soviet Union,
August 1945, p. 52.; Avtandil Rukhadze, Jews in the USSR: Figures, Facts,
Comment (Moscow: Novosti, 1978), pp. 10-11.
18. T. Emmons and B. M. Patenaude, eds., War, Revolution and Peace in
Russia: The Passages of Frank Golder, 1913-1927 (Stanford: Hoover
Institution, 1992), pp. 320, 139, 317.
19. Louis Rapoport, Stalin's War Against the Jews (New York: Free Press,
1990), pp. 30, 31, 37. See also pp. 43, 44, 45, 49, 50.
20. Quoted in: Salo Baron, The Russian Jews Under Tsars and Soviets (New
York: 1976), pp. 170, 392 (n. 4).
21. The Atlantic, Sept. 1991, p. 14.; In 1919, three-quarters of the Cheka
staff in Kiev were Jews, who were careful to spare fellow Jews. By order,
the Cheka took few Jewish hostages. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution
(1990), p. 824.; Israeli historian Louis Rapoport also confirms the
dominant role played by Jews in the Soviet secret police throughout the
1920s and 1930s. L. Rapoport, Stalin's War Against the Jews (New York:
1990), pp. 30-31, 43-45, 49-50.
22. E. Radzinsky, The Last Tsar (1992), pp. 244, 303-304.; Bill Keller,
"Cult of the Last Czar," The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.; See also: W.
H. Chamberlin, The Russian Revolution, vol. 2, p. 90.
23. Quoted in: The New Republic, Feb. 5, 1990, pp. 30 ff.; Because of the
alleged anti-Semitism of Russophobia, in July 1992 Shafarevich was asked by
the National Academy of Sciences (Washington, DC) to resign as an associate
member of that prestigious body.
24. R. Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1993), p. 148.
25. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.; Robert K. Massie,
Nicholas and Alexandra (New York: 1976), pp. 496-497.
26. An article in a 1907 issue of the respected American journal National
Geographic reported on the revolutionary situation brewing in Russia in the
years before the First World War: " The revolutionary leaders nearly all
belong to the Jewish race, and the most effective revolutionary agency is
the Jewish Bund " W. E. Curtis, "The Revolution in Russia," The National
Geographic Magazine, May 1907, pp. 313-314. Piotr Stolypin, probably
imperial Russia's greatest statesman, was murdered in 1911 by a Jewish
assassin. In 1907, Jews made up about ten percent of Bolshevik party
membership. In the Menshevik party, another faction of the Russian Social
Democratic Labor Party, the Jewish proportion was twice as high. R. Pipes,
The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 365.; See also: R. Wilton, The Last Days
of the Romanovs (1993), pp. 185-186.
27. Martin Gilbert, Atlas of Jewish History (1977), pp. 71, 74.; In spite of
the restrictive "Pale" policy, in 1897 about 315,000 Jews were living
outside the Pale, most of them illegally. In 1900 more than 20,000 were
living in the capital of St. Petersburg, and another 9,000 in Moscow.
28. Sonja Margolina, Das Ende der L黦en: Russland und die Juden im 20.
Jahrhundert (Berlin: 1992). Quoted in: "Ein ganz heisses Eisen angefasst,"
Deutsche National-Zeitung (Munich), July 21, 1992, p. 12.
29. Krasnaia Gazetta ("Red Gazette"), September 1, 1918. Quoted in: Richard
Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 820, 912 (n. 88).
30. Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (New York: 1990), p. 820.
31. Contrary to what a number of western historians have for years
suggested, Soviet terror and the Gulag camp system did not begin with
Stalin. At the end of 1920, Soviet Russia already had 84 concentration
camps with approximately 50,000 prisoners. By October 1923 the number had
increased to 315 camps with 70,000 inmates. R. Pipes, The Russian
Revolution (1990), p. 836.
32. Cited by historian Robert Conquest in a review/ article in The New York
Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.
33. The New York Review of Books, Sept. 23, 1993, p. 27.
34. Review/article by Robert Conquest in The New York Review of Books, Sept.
23, 1993, p. 27.; In the "Great Terror" years of 1937-1938 alone, Conquest
has calculated, approximately one million were shot by the Soviet secret
police, and another two million perished in Soviet camps. R. Conquest, The
Great Terror (New York: Oxford, 1990), pp. 485-486.; Conquest has estimated
that 13.5 to 14 million people perished in the collectivization
("dekulakization") campaign and forced famine of 1929-1933. R. Conquest,
The Harvest of Sorrow (New York: Oxford, 1986), pp. 301-307.
35. Russian professor Igor Bestuzhev-Lada, writing in a 1988 issue of the
Moscow weekly Nedelya, suggested that during the Stalin era alone
(1935-1953), as many as 50 million people were killed, condemned to camps
from which they never emerged, or lost their lives as a direct result of
the brutal "dekulakization" campaign against the peasantry. "Soviets admit
Stalin killed 50 million," The Sunday Times, London, April 17, 1988.; R. J.
Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, has
recently calculated that 61.9 million people were systematically killed by
the Soviet Communist regime from 1917 to 1987. R. J. Rummel, Lethal
Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 (Transaction, 1990).
36. Because of his revolutionary activities, Lenin was sentenced in 1897 to
three years exile in Siberia. During this period of "punishment," he got
married, wrote some 30 works, made extensive use of a well-stocked local
library, subscribed to numerous foreign periodicals, kept up a voluminous
correspondence with supporters across Europe, and enjoyed numerous sport
hunting and ice skating excursions, while all the time receiving a state
stipend. See: Ronald W. Clark, Lenin (New York: 1988), pp. 42-57.; P. N.
Pospelov, ed., Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: A Biography (Moscow: Progress, 1966),
pp. 55-75.
37. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), pp. 187-188.;
38. The Nation, June 24, 1991, p. 838.
39. Bill Keller, "Cult of the Last Czar," The New York Times, Nov. 21, 1990.
40. "Nostalgic for Nicholas, Russians Honor Their Last Czar," Los Angeles
Times, July 18, 1993.; "Ceremony marks Russian czar's death," Orange County
Register, July 17, 1993.
41. R. Pipes, The Russian Revolution (1990), p. 787.
Appendix
A striking feature of Mr. Wilton's examination of the tumultuous 1917-1919
period in Russia is his frank treatment of the critically important Jewish
role in establishing the Bolshevik regime.
The following lists of persons in the Bolshevik Party and Soviet
administration during this period, which Wilton compiled on the basis of
official reports and original documents, underscore the crucial Jewish role
in these bodies. These lists first appeared in the rare French edition of
Wilton's book, published in Paris in 1921 under the title Les Derniers
Jours des Romanoffs. They did not appear in either the American or British
editions of The Last Days of the Romanors published in 1920.
"I have done all in my power to act as an impartial chronicler," Wilton
wrote in his foreword to Les Derniers Jours des Romanoffs. "In order not to
leave myself open to any accusation of prejudice, I am giving the list of
the members of the [Bolshevik Party' s] Central Committee, of the
Extraordinary Commission [Cheka or secret police], and of the Council of
Commissars functioning at the time of the assassination of the Imperial
family.
"The 62 members of the [Central] Committee were composed of five Russians,
one Ukrainian, six Letts [Latvians], two Germans, one Czech, two Armenians,
three Georgians, one Karaim [Karaite] (a Jewish sect), and 41 Jews.
"The Extraordinary Commission [Cheka or Vecheka] of Moscow was composed of
36 members, including one German, one Pole, one Armenian, two Russians,
eight Latvians, and 23 Jews.
"The Council of the People's Commissars [the Soviet .government] numbered
two Armenians, three Russians, and 17 Jews.
"Ac.cording to data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important
functionaries of the Bolshevik state, including the above-mentioned, in
1918-1919 there were: 17 Russians, two Ukrainians, eleven Armenians, 35
Letts [Latvians], 15 Germans, one Hungarian, ten Georgians, three Poles,
three Finns, one Czech, one Karaim, and 457 Jews."
"If the reader is astonished to find the Jewish hand everywhere in the
affair of the assassination of the Russian Imperial family, he must bear in
mind the formidable numerical preponderance of Jews in the Soviet
administration," Wilton went on to write.
Effective governmental power, Wilton continued (on pages 136-138 of the same
edition) is in the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party. In 1918, he
reported, this body had twelve members, of whom nine were of Jewish origin,
and three were of Russian ancestry. The nine Jews were: Bronstein
(Trotsky), Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), Lurie (Larine), Uritsky, Volodarski,
Rosenfeld (Kamenev), Smidovich, Sverdlov (Yankel), and Nakhamkes (Steklov).
The three Russians were: Ulyanov (Lenin), Krylenko, and Lunacharsky.
"The other Russian Socialist parties are similar in composition," Wilton
went on. "Their Central Committees are made up as follows:"
Mensheviks (Social Democrats): Eleven members, all of whom are Jewish.
Communists of the People: Six members, of whom five are Jews and one is a
Russian.
Social Revolutionaries (Right Wing): Fifteen members, of whom 13 are Jews
and two are Russians (Kerenski, who may be of Jewish origin, and
Tchaikovski).
Social Revolutionaries (Left Wing): Twelve members, of whom ten are Jews and
two are Russians.
Committee of the Anarchists of Moscow: Five members, of whom four are Jews
and one is a Russian.
Polish Communist Party: Twelve members, all of whom are Jews, including
Sobelson (Radek), Krokhenal (Zagonski), and Schwartz (Goltz).
"These parties," commented Wilton, "in appearance opposed to the Bolsheviks,
play the Bolsheviks' game on the sly, more or less, by preventing the
Russians from pulling themselves together. Out of 61 individuals at the
head of these parties, there are six Russians and 55 Jews. No matter what
may be the name adopted, a revolutionary government will be Jewish."
[Although the Bolsheviks permitted these leftist political groups to operate
for a time under close supervision and narrow limits, even these pitiful
remnants of organized opposition were thoroughly eliminated by the end of
the 1921 .]
The Soviet government, or "Council of People's Commissars' (also known as
the "Sovnarkom") was made up of the following, Wilton reported:
Peoples Commissariat (Ministry) Name Nationality Chairman V.I. Ulyanov
(Lenin) Russian Foreign Affairs G.V. Chicherin Russian Nationalities J.
Dzhugashvili [Stalin] Georgian Agriculture Protian Armenian Economic
Council Lourie (Larin) Jew Food Supply A.G. Schlikhter Jew Army and Navy
[Military] L.D. Bronstein (Trotski) Jew State Control K.I. Lander Jew State
Lands Kaufmann Jew Works [Labor] V. Schmidt Jew Social Relief E. Lilina
(Knigissen) Jew Education A. Lunacharsky Russian Religion Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum [Radomyslski] (Zinoviev) Jew .Hygiene Anvelt Jew Finance
I. E. Gukovs [and G. Sokolnikov] Jew Press Voldarski [Goldstein] Jew
Elections M.S. Uritsky Jew Justice I.Z. Shteinberg Jew Refugees Fenigstein
Jew Refugees Savitch (Assistant) Jew Refugees Zaslovski (Assistant) Jew
Out of these 22 "Sovnarkom" members, Wilton summed'up, there were three
Russians, one Georgian, one Armenian, and 17 Jews.
The Central Executive Committee, Wilton continues, was made up of the
following members:
Y. M. Sverdlov [Solomon] (Chairman) Jew Avanesov (Secretary) Armenian Bruno
Latvian Breslau Latvian [?] Babtchinski Jew N. I. Bukharin Russian Weinberg
Jew Gailiss Jew Ganzberg [Ganzburg ] Jew Danichevski Jew Starck German
Sachs Jew Scheinmann Jew Erdling Jew Landauer Jew Linder Jew Wolach Czech
S. Dimanshtein Jew Encukidze Georgian Ermann Jew A. A. Ioffe Jew Karkhline
Jew Knigissen Jew Rosenfeld (Kamenev) Jew Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) Jew N.
Krylenko Russian Krassikov Jew Kaprik Jew Kaoul Latvian Ulyanov (Lenin)
Russian Latsis Jew Lander Jew Lunacharsky Russian Peterson Latvian Peters
Latvian Roudzoutas Jew Rosine Jew Smidovitch Jew Stoutchka Latvian
Nakhamkes (Steklov) Jew Sosnovski Jew Skrytnik Jew L. Bronstein (Trotsky)
Jew Teodorovitch Jew [?] Terian Armenian Uritsky Jew Telechkine Russian
Feldmann Jew Fromkin Jew Souriupa Ukrainian Tchavtchevadze Georgian
Scheikmann Jew Rosental Jew Achkinazi Imeretian [?] Karakhane Karaim
[Karaite] Rose Jew Sobelson (Radek) Jew Schlichter Jew Schikolini Jew
Chklianski Jew Levine-(Pravdine) Jew
Thus, concluded Wilton, out of 61 members, five were Russians, six were
Latvians, one was a German, two were Armenians, one was a Czech, one was an
Imeretian, two were Georgians, one was a Karaim, one. was a Ukrainian, and
41 were Jews.
The Extraordinary Commission of Moscow (Cheka) 'the Soviet secret police and
predecessor of the GPU, the NKVD and the KGB was made up of the following:
F. Dzerzhinsky (Chairman) Pole Y. Peters (Deputy Chairman) Latvian Chklovski
Jew Kheifiss Jew Zeistine Jew Razmirovitch Jew Kronberg Jew Khaikina Jew
Karlson Latvian Schaumann Latvian Leontovitch Jew Jacob Goldine Jew
Galperstein Jew Kniggisen Jew Katzis Latvian Schillenkuss Jew Janson
Latvian Rivkine Jew Antonof Russian Delafabre Jew Tsitkine Jew Roskirovitch
Jew G. Sverdlov (Brother of president of the Central Executive Committee)
Jew Biesenski Jew J. Blumkin (Count Mirbach's assassin) Jew Alexandrovitch
(Blumkin's accomplice) Russian I. Model Jew Routenberg Jew Pines Jew Sachs
Jew Daybol Latvian Saissoune Armenian Deylkenen Latvian Liebert Jew Vogel
German Zakiss Latvian
Of these 36 Cheka officials, one was a Pole, one a German, one an Armenian,
two were Russians, eight were Latvians, and 23 were Jews.
"Accordingly," Wilton sums up, "there is no reason to be surprised at the
preponderant role of Jews in the assassination of the Imperial family. It
is rather the opposite that would have been surprising."
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| | From: | I love Edsels | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:55:41 GMT |
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Judaism had a reformation. Islam has not. Big Difference.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:04:07 -0500, Tommy wrote:
>吲信Ё wrote:
>
>> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>>
>
>Damn! the Raghead Semites are almsot as bad as the hook-nose Semites.
>
>Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
>
>The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
>
>Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
>punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
>
>Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where
>he is not known and do the evil there.
>
>Jews are Divine:
>
>Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be
>killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
>
>It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:
>
>Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him
>for work.
>
>Jews Have Superior Legal Status:
>
>Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
>is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
>Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."
>
>Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
>
>Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it
>does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
>
>Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old
>man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
>Cuthean ... "
>
>Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:
>
>Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
>death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
>
>Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has
>"exposed their money to Israel."
>
>Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
>
>Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
>
>Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human:
>
>Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
>
>Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
>
>Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer with cows.
>Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
>
>Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant
>of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
>
>Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored"
>text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the
>hairdresser," had with many men.
>
>Gloats over Christ Dying Young:
>
>A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died:
>"Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not
>actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not
>live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four
>years old."
>
>Says Jesus was a Sorcerer:
>
>Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene")
>was executed because he practiced sorcery.
>
>Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus Christ:
>
>Gittin 57a. Says Jesus (see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
>
>Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu
>was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be
>made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
>Talmud Attacks Christians
>
>Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud
>will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11
>for the definition of minim).
>Christian Book Burning
>
>Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see
>footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
>
>Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e.
>the New Testament.
>
>Dr. Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament
>books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. "Jewish History, Jewish
>Religion," Pluto Press, p. 21).
>Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
>
>Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the
>shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
>
>Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way
>is given.
>
>Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had ual intercourse with all the animals
>in the Garden of Eden.
>
>Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
>
>Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three
>years "and a day" old).
>
>Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have with a child as long as the child is less
>than nine years old.
>
>Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is
>nothing."
>
>Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry
>a Jewish priest. A woman who has with a demon is also eligible to marry
>a Jewish priest.
>
>Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi
>Eleazar has not had with.
>
>Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
>
>Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi
>won the debate.
>
>Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a
>man should not have ual intercourse till he has waited long enough to
>walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time;
>if he does, his children will be epileptic."
>
>Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
>exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director
>shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and
>falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other
>Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this
>cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own.
>These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish
>kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity
>and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
>
>Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew
>should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if
>he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it
>loosens the limbs."
>
>Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between
>two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special
>dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a
>crossroads.
>
>Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have during the day
>unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have during the
>day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
>Tales of a Roman Holocaust
>
>Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims
>that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar.
>Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls
>and burned alive by the Romans.
>
>(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the
>entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four
>billion Jews).
>A Revealing Admission
>
>Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine
>stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact
>that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would
>make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is
>permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in
>Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
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| | From: | reqluq | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:01:51 -0500 |
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"I love Edsels" wrote in message
news:8kjbs093m9qm8a6qt0i1skkovvhjss0e44@4ax.com...
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> Judaism had a reformation. Islam has not. Big Difference.
That's what you think
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:04:07 -0500, Tommy wrote:
>
>>吲信Ё wrote:
>>
>>> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>>>
>>
>>Damn! the Raghead Semites are almsot as bad as the hook-nose Semites.
>>
>>Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
>>
>>The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
>>
>>Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
>>punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
>>
>>Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city
>>where
>>he is not known and do the evil there.
>>
>>Jews are Divine:
>>
>>Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be
>>killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
>>
>>It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:
>>
>>Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him
>>for work.
>>
>>Jews Have Superior Legal Status:
>>
>>Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
>>is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
>>Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."
>>
>>Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
>>
>>Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it
>>does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
>>
>>Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an
>>old
>>man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
>>Cuthean ... "
>>
>>Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:
>>
>>Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
>>death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
>>
>>Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has
>>"exposed their money to Israel."
>>
>>Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
>>
>>Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a
>>Gentile.
>>
>>Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human:
>>
>>Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
>>
>>Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
>>birth.
>>
>>Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer with cows.
>>Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
>>
>>Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the
>>descendant
>>of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
>>
>>Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored"
>>text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the
>>hairdresser," had with many men.
>>
>>Gloats over Christ Dying Young:
>>
>>A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus
>>died:
>>"Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not
>>actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall
>>not
>>live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or
>>thirty-four
>>years old."
>>
>>Says Jesus was a Sorcerer:
>>
>>Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the
>>Nazarene")
>>was executed because he practiced sorcery.
>>
>>Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus Christ:
>>
>>Gittin 57a. Says Jesus (see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot
>>excrement."
>>
>>Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover,
>>Yeshu
>>was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be
>>made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
>>Talmud Attacks Christians
>>
>>Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud
>>will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote
>>#11
>>for the definition of minim).
>>Christian Book Burning
>>
>>Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see
>>footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
>>
>>Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians,
>>i.e.
>>the New Testament.
>>
>>Dr. Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New
>>Testament
>>books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. "Jewish History, Jewish
>>Religion," Pluto Press, p. 21).
>>Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
>>
>>Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the
>>shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
>>
>>Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way
>>is given.
>>
>>Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had ual intercourse with all the animals
>>in the Garden of Eden.
>>
>>Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
>>
>>Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three
>>years "and a day" old).
>>
>>Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have with a child as long as the child is
>>less
>>than nine years old.
>>
>>Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it
>>is
>>nothing."
>>
>>Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to
>>marry
>>a Jewish priest. A woman who has with a demon is also eligible to
>>marry
>>a Jewish priest.
>>
>>Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi
>>Eleazar has not had with.
>>
>>Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
>>
>>Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi
>>won the debate.
>>
>>Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a
>>man should not have ual intercourse till he has waited long enough to
>>walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that
>>time;
>>if he does, his children will be epileptic."
>>
>>Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
>>exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director
>>shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and
>>falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two
>>other
>>Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this
>>cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own.
>>These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish
>>kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity
>>and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
>>
>>Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew
>>should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if
>>he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it
>>loosens the limbs."
>>
>>Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass
>>between
>>two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special
>>dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a
>>crossroads.
>>
>>Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have during the
>>day
>>unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have during
>>the
>>day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
>>Tales of a Roman Holocaust
>>
>>Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims
>>that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar.
>>Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls
>>and burned alive by the Romans.
>>
>>(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the
>>entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four
>>billion Jews).
>>A Revealing Admission
>>
>>Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine
>>stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact
>>that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would
>>make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is
>>permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in
>>Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
>
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| | From: | reqluq | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:01:21 -0500 |
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| must be a christian thingee but,hey we understand
DEUT 13:6 If your brother, the son of your mother,or your son or your
daughter or the wife of your heart, or the friend who is as dear to you as
your life, working on you secretlysays to you, Let us go and give worship to
other gods, strange to you and to your fathers;DEUT 13:7 Gods of the peoples
round about you, near or far, from one end of the earth to the other;DEUT
13:8 Do not be guided by him or give attention to him; have no pity on him
or mercy,and give him no cover;DEUT 13:9 But put him to death without
question; let your hand be the first stretched out against him to put him to
death, and then the hands of all the people
Numbers 31:9 And the children of Israel took all the WOMEN of midian
captives and their LITTLE ONES...and ALL their goods...15 and Moses said to
them Have ye saved all the women alive?num 31:17 therefore kill EVERY male
among the LITTLE ONES and kill every woman that hath know man by lying with
them.But all the women CHILDREN keep for yourselves
ezekiel 9:5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the
city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men,
young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has
the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in
front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the
courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout
the city. 8 While
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them
comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and
seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no
pity."
"吲信Ё" wrote in message
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> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>
>
> Charles fights death penalty for converts
>
> By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
> (Filed: 18/12/2004)
>
> The Prince of Wales is brokering efforts to end the Muslim death penalty
> on
> converts to other faiths, The Telegraph has learned.
>
> He held a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House
> this month to explore the centuries-old Islamic law under which apostates
> face persecution and even death.
>
> His intervention follows mounting anger at the treatment of Muslims who
> have
> converted to Christianity in a number of Islamic states.
>
> As an advocate of inter-faith dialogue, Prince Charles has come under
> pressure to criticise the religious law that, campaigners say, has
> resulted
> in hundreds of executions in countries from Iran to Sudan.
>
> Among the Christians at the confidential meeting was an Anglican
> archbishop
> from a part of Nigeria where Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
>
> Others included the Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, and the
> Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali.
>
> It is understood that the Muslim group, which included the Islamic scholar
> Zaki Badawi, cautioned the prince and other non-Muslims against speaking
> publicly on the issue.
>
> It argued that Islamic moderates could have more influence on the
> traditional position if the debate remained largely internal.
>
> A member of the Christian group said yesterday that he was "very, very
> unhappy" about the outcome.
>
> Patrick Sookhdeo, the international director of the Barnabas Fund which
> campaigns on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad, stressed that he was
> speaking on the record only because details of the meeting had already
> leaked.
>
> He urged the prince and Muslim leaders in Britain to criticise openly the
> traditional Islamic law on apostasy, calling for it to be abolished
> throughout the world.
>
> "My view, and I think the other Christians shared it, is that when
> something
> is wrong it must be stated as a wrong."
>
> Other Christian leaders were more sympathetic to the worries of the
> Muslims
> that public criticism could prove counter-productive.
>
> Besides Dr Sookhdeo and the Bishops of London and Rochester, others
> Christian leaders at the meeting included the Archbishop of Kaduna in
> Nigeria, the Most Rev Josiah Idowu-Fearon, and a bishop from the Orthodox
> Church.
>
> Other Muslim leaders included Sayyed Yousef al-Khoei, the director of the
> London-based Al-Khoei Foundation, and Sher Khan, of the Islamic Society of
> Britain.
>
>
> http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/18/nprince18.xml
>
>
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| | From: | Alan Cossey | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:21:24 -0000 |
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"reqluq" wrote in message
news:10sfm2m4mpbg044@corp.supernews.com...
> must be a christian thingee but,hey we understand
>
> DEUT 13:6 If your brother, the son of your mother,or your son or your
> daughter or the wife of your heart, or the friend who is as dear to you as
> your life, working on you secretlysays to you, Let us go and give worship
> to other gods, strange to you and to your fathers;DEUT 13:7 Gods of the
> peoples round about you, near or far, from one end of the earth to the
> other;DEUT 13:8 Do not be guided by him or give attention to him; have no
> pity on him or mercy,and give him no cover;DEUT 13:9 But put him to death
> without question; let your hand be the first stretched out against him to
> put him to death, and then the hands of all the people
>
> Numbers 31:9 And the children of Israel took all the WOMEN of midian
> captives and their LITTLE ONES...and ALL their goods...15 and Moses said
> to them Have ye saved all the women alive?num 31:17 therefore kill EVERY
> male among the LITTLE ONES and kill every woman that hath know man by
> lying with them.But all the women CHILDREN keep for yourselves
>
> ezekiel 9:5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the
> city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men,
> young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has
> the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were
> in front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and
> fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing
> throughout the city. 8 While
>
> Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them
> comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and
> seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no
> pity."
>
>
> "吲信Ё" wrote in message
> news:10s9nsa2g1j7fb7@corp.supernews.com...
>> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>>
>>
>> Charles fights death penalty for converts
>>
>> By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
>> (Filed: 18/12/2004)
>>
>> The Prince of Wales is brokering efforts to end the Muslim death penalty
>> on
>> converts to other faiths, The Telegraph has learned.
>>
>> He held a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence
>> House
>> this month to explore the centuries-old Islamic law under which apostates
>> face persecution and even death.
>>
>> His intervention follows mounting anger at the treatment of Muslims who
>> have
>> converted to Christianity in a number of Islamic states.
>>
>> As an advocate of inter-faith dialogue, Prince Charles has come under
>> pressure to criticise the religious law that, campaigners say, has
>> resulted
>> in hundreds of executions in countries from Iran to Sudan.
>>
>> Among the Christians at the confidential meeting was an Anglican
>> archbishop
>> from a part of Nigeria where Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
>>
>> Others included the Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, and
>> the
>> Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali.
>>
>> It is understood that the Muslim group, which included the Islamic
>> scholar
>> Zaki Badawi, cautioned the prince and other non-Muslims against speaking
>> publicly on the issue.
>>
>> It argued that Islamic moderates could have more influence on the
>> traditional position if the debate remained largely internal.
>>
>> A member of the Christian group said yesterday that he was "very, very
>> unhappy" about the outcome.
>>
>> Patrick Sookhdeo, the international director of the Barnabas Fund which
>> campaigns on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad, stressed that he was
>> speaking on the record only because details of the meeting had already
>> leaked.
>>
>> He urged the prince and Muslim leaders in Britain to criticise openly the
>> traditional Islamic law on apostasy, calling for it to be abolished
>> throughout the world.
>>
>> "My view, and I think the other Christians shared it, is that when
>> something
>> is wrong it must be stated as a wrong."
>>
>> Other Christian leaders were more sympathetic to the worries of the
>> Muslims
>> that public criticism could prove counter-productive.
>>
>> Besides Dr Sookhdeo and the Bishops of London and Rochester, others
>> Christian leaders at the meeting included the Archbishop of Kaduna in
>> Nigeria, the Most Rev Josiah Idowu-Fearon, and a bishop from the Orthodox
>> Church.
>>
>> Other Muslim leaders included Sayyed Yousef al-Khoei, the director of the
>> London-based Al-Khoei Foundation, and Sher Khan, of the Islamic Society
>> of
>> Britain.
>>
>>
>> http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/18/nprince18.xml
>>
>>
>
Time to own up. I find the destruction and killing when the Israelites took
over Canaan hard to stomach. I say that as someone who believes the bible to
be the Word of God and that means I have to accept that God told the
Israelites to kill lots of people there, though I am not at all sure of how
many it involved.
I'm not sure of the source of the following, but it puts it better than I
can.
Alan Cossey
Is a War Ever Holy?
Why did God order a ruthless military campaign?
The LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid of them, because by this time
tomorrow I will hand all of them over to Israel, slain." Joshua 11:6
Holy war. Ironically, the term applies to the most vicious, bloody wars. And
often, far too often, Christians have been at the heart of such holy wars.
There is something irrational and even repulsive about a holy war. It
harnesses all the best energies of religion for one of the ugliest acts of
human nature. And yet anyone who reads the Bible cannot ignore the holy wars
in the Old Testament.
Whole books have been written about the problem, and no brief article can
begin to cover the issues. But modern readers need some background to help
understand why a fierce holy war is presented in such a good light.
A Land Promised to the Israelites
The Israelites' fighting style fit the harsh pattern of warfare in that day.
Contemporary Egyptian and Assyrian reports boasted of mass executions,
torture, and the systematic razing of cities. But God's involvement raises
unique questions. He personally ordered the destruction of seven Canaanite
nations, with no survivors. Why?
The Old Testament makes clear that the Canaanites were not being uprooted on
a sudden whim. God had promised the land to the Israelites over 400 years
before Joshua. He had called one man, Abraham, to found a nation of chosen
people. He repeated those promises often (Genesis 12:1-3; 15:5-18; 17:2-8;
26:3,23-24; 28:13-14) and finally called the Israelites out of Egypt to take
over the promised land. Almost from the beginning Canaan was a vital part of
God's plan.
Delayed Punishment
Israel's inheritance, however, meant kicking out the Canaanites. How could
innocent people simply be pushed aside, or killed? In answer to this
question, the Bible makes clear that the Canaanites were not "innocent."
Through their long history of sin, they had forfeited their right to the
land.
Four hundred years before Joshua, God had told Abraham that his descendants
would not occupy the land until the sin of its inhabitants had "reached its
full measure" (Genesis 15:16). Later, just days before the onset of Joshua's
campaign, Moses stated, "It is not because of your righteousness or your
integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on
account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive
them out before you" (Deuteronomy 9:5).
Historians have uncovered plenty of evidence of this wickedness. Canaanite
temples featured prostitutes, orgies, and human sacrifice. Relics and
plaques of exaggerated organs hint at the morality that characterized
Canaan.
Canaanite gods, such as Baal and his wife Anath, delighted in butchery and
sadism. Archaeologists have found great numbers of jars containing the tiny
bones of children sacrificed to Baal. Families seeking good luck in a new
home practiced "foundation sacrifice." They would kill one of their children
and seal the body in the mortar of the wall. In many ways, Canaan had become
like Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Bible records that God has patience with decadent societies for a time,
but judgment inevitably follows. For Sodom and Gomorrah it took the form of
fire and brimstone. For Canaan it came through Joshua's conquering armies.
Later, God let his own chosen people be ravaged by invaders, as punishment
for their sins. The judgment pronounced on Canaan seems severe, but no more
severe than what was later inflicted on Israel itself.
The Contamination Problem
The Israelites could not simply settle down as new neighbors among existing
Canaanite cities. From the time when the tribes had made a golden calf while
Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments (Exodus 32), Israelites had shown a
fatal weakness to infection from outside. They seemed particularly
susceptible to sins of and idolatry, Canaan's national specialties.
Israel's later history offers a negative proof of why God commanded utter
destruction of Canaanites. The damning phrase in Joshua, "the Israelites did
not drive out the people," hints at trouble to come, and the very next book,
Judges, tells of the devastating results. The Israelites slid to one of
their lowest levels because they had not fulfilled the original mission of
cleansing the land of impure elements.
A Struggle beyond Nations
Looking back at this period of time, we tend to see the battles of Joshua as
national or racial struggles: the Israelites versus the people of Canaan.
But the Bible presents the warfare as a wider struggle: one between those
who followed God and those who opposed him.
When God judged groups, as he judged the world in Noah's day or as he judged
Sodom and Gomorrah, those few who remained faithful to him found a way of
escape. And in Joshua one bright story shines out: the story of Rahab, a
non-Israelite. A typical Canaanite who worked as a professional prostitute,
she nevertheless learned to fear and then trust the God of Israel. She
escaped the fall of Jericho. Furthermore, she went on to marry a leading
Israelite and become one of the ancestors of the Messiah himself, Jesus.
Rahab claimed that others in her city of Jericho had quaked in fear for 40
years, waiting for the judgment of the God of Israel (2:9-11). Yet only she
took the further step of seeking help. If others in Canaan had repented and
turned to God, they might well have escaped punishment, as Rahab did.
Holy Wars Today
One fact about "holy war" is very clear. We cannot argue from a war
specifically commanded by God in Joshua to any national situation today. In
the Old Testament, God was dealing primarily with one particular nation, the
Israelites, for a stated purpose. When the Messiah finally emerged out of
that nation, everything changed.
Jesus' followers all lived in the same territory captured by Joshua, the
"promised land." But four times, in his very last words, Jesus commanded his
disciples to go out, away from Jerusalem, into all the world. Go, he told
them, not as conquering armies but rather as bearers of the good news that
applies to all people, all races, all nations.
Anyone who looks to the book of Joshua for a rationalization of a holy war
must also look ahead to Jesus. Although on a holy crusade, he chose against
violent means. In fact, he chose suffering and death. Nothing in the New
Testament gives consolation to a religious warrior.
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| | From: | Alan Cossey | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:56:00 -0000 |
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"吲信Ё" wrote in message
news:10s9nsa2g1j7fb7@corp.supernews.com...
> Must be an "Islamic thing" that only a raghead could understand.
>
>
> Charles fights death penalty for converts
>
> By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
> (Filed: 18/12/2004)
>
> The Prince of Wales is brokering efforts to end the Muslim death penalty
> on
> converts to other faiths, The Telegraph has learned.
>
> He held a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House
> this month to explore the centuries-old Islamic law under which apostates
> face persecution and even death.
>
> His intervention follows mounting anger at the treatment of Muslims who
> have
> converted to Christianity in a number of Islamic states.
>
> As an advocate of inter-faith dialogue, Prince Charles has come under
> pressure to criticise the religious law that, campaigners say, has
> resulted
> in hundreds of executions in countries from Iran to Sudan.
>
> Among the Christians at the confidential meeting was an Anglican
> archbishop
> from a part of Nigeria where Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
>
> Others included the Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, and the
> Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali.
>
> It is understood that the Muslim group, which included the Islamic scholar
> Zaki Badawi, cautioned the prince and other non-Muslims against speaking
> publicly on the issue.
>
> It argued that Islamic moderates could have more influence on the
> traditional position if the debate remained largely internal.
>
> A member of the Christian group said yesterday that he was "very, very
> unhappy" about the outcome.
>
> Patrick Sookhdeo, the international director of the Barnabas Fund which
> campaigns on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad, stressed that he was
> speaking on the record only because details of the meeting had already
> leaked.
>
> He urged the prince and Muslim leaders in Britain to criticise openly the
> traditional Islamic law on apostasy, calling for it to be abolished
> throughout the world.
>
> "My view, and I think the other Christians shared it, is that when
> something
> is wrong it must be stated as a wrong."
>
> Other Christian leaders were more sympathetic to the worries of the
> Muslims
> that public criticism could prove counter-productive.
>
> Besides Dr Sookhdeo and the Bishops of London and Rochester, others
> Christian leaders at the meeting included the Archbishop of Kaduna in
> Nigeria, the Most Rev Josiah Idowu-Fearon, and a bishop from the Orthodox
> Church.
>
> Other Muslim leaders included Sayyed Yousef al-Khoei, the director of the
> London-based Al-Khoei Foundation, and Sher Khan, of the Islamic Society of
> Britain.
>
>
> http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/18/nprince18.xml
>
>
It would be very interesting to hear what the Muslim members of this group
think on this subject.........
Alan Cossey
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| | From: | Siegfreed | | Subject: | Re: Leave Islam for Christianity and you're dead | | Date: | Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:28:33 +1100 |
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| > It would be very interesting to hear what the Muslim members of this group
> think on this subject.........
>
> Alan Cossey
Muslims do not think, they just believe whatever islamic non-sense they have
been told to believe.
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