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 | | From: | JM | | Subject: | Re: #ABANDONED JESUITS DARE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE 911 TRAGEDY!! | | Date: | Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:21:37 -0500 |
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 | "Susan Williams" wrote in message news:o0c6u0h34vgt17i976rlhleo3lo2gpgrvb@4ax.com... > After our documentation showing many ways where the 911 tragedy was > either let through intentionally or the government actually conspired > to bring it in, Jesuits follow through to excuse the inexcusable.
Suzi you are truly a nut case!!!! Why do you hate Christians so much??? And do you hate God also????
> > Take a look at this particular post from the Google Newsgroups > Archives: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.military.retired/msg/8ec5090d85eb0ca6 > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:47:23 -0500, "DropCloth" > > wrote: > > > > >"Susan Williams" wrote in message > > >news:na8rt0ht44dskbcff54jk63qgrcn2915up@4ax.com... > > > >> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:30:58 -0500, "DropCloth" > > >> wrote: > > > > >> >"Susan Williams" wrote in message > > > >> >news:t68nt0p5c8u5a3lkt25ptfneilp0jgbds7@4ax.com... > > > >> >> THE PURPOSE OF DIVERSITY! Part I > > > > >> >> You can see the whle series on the Adventism Defended website: > > > >> >> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/DiversityI.html > > > > >> >> Updated 10/18/2001: Made easier to print out. Updated 12/11/2004: > > > >> >> slight changes and additions to text. > > > > >> >> We are in a very critical situation today. Three planes plowed into > > > >> >> the WTC buildings penetrating straight through traditionally > > > >> >> heavily-controlled airspace and met their targets without even a > > > >> >> military jet to accompany them. Those planes traveled from far > > > >> >> distances in terror attacks that were planned by Islamic extremists. > > > >> >> From that distance how did they know they would penetrate? Such a > > > >> >> distance to travel at the risk of being laughing stocks to the Islamic > > > >> >> world! > > > > >> > > > > >> >I don't even have to read any further since the very first paragraph is > >full > >> >of errors. > > > >> >- "Three planes plowed into the WTC buildings"...Hmm, I remember two at > > >the > >> >WTC, one at the Pentagon and one in PA. If you can't even get something > >as > >> >simple as that correct why would anyone even think you could get an > >analysis > >> >of a complicated situation correct? > > > >> Don't be paranoid, Jesuit, and think that because the absolute > >> symantics is not correct, the whole thing must be scrapped? It got > >> you awake and made you neglect your kids, didn't it? > > > >Jesuit eh? I must admit I have never been called that before. The errors > >you made are not symantics, they are errors, plain and simple. > > > They were mistatements made casually. Not like your errors. Now you > are married to my posts. Even today I sometimes say three planes went > and hit their targets and sometimes I just say buildings. It depends > on whether Jesuits still are very paranoid about what they claim are > paranoid people. > > > >This is not > >the school of even if it's wrong you're still a winner and we're going to > >give you a passing grade. > > > What grade does a Jesuit get then when he tries to convince us that > military jets should not have accompanied any of those planes except > the one where the passengers were not gonnna take it anymore and were > gonna attack the terrorists? > > > What about your error when Cheney was asked why no military protection > was there and he couldn't see your reasoning? > > > >Smile, smile and pat on the head. > > > Jesuit and pat on the Jesuit. > > > >BTW, I've been > >awake I just didn't bother with you until now, I don't want you to feel > >neglected since that's obviously part of your psyche that you bring it up > >right away. > > > Damned psychiatrist Jesuit would naturally follow his communist and > nazi brothers claimng psychiatrist credentials. Why did you err to > make the American people believe that they should not have expected to > see military jets when the nation was under such an attack? > > > > >> >- "Those planes traveled from far distances"? Hmm, Boston to NYC is a > > >far > >> >distance I guess if you never leave your own back yard. > > > >> Don' be paranoid, Jesuit, for planes under FAA rules, it doesn't have > >> to be off course that much for them to know that there is trouble. > >> Why did you err here? > > > >Hmm, I didn't err in that statement. > > > No damned Jesuit ever admits he errs! > > > >The distance from Boston to NYC is NOT > >very far unless you have never left your own back yard. > > > By FAA rules the distance is more than ample enough for military > response. How can a damned Jesuit be convinced of this? I had a > relative who flew me in his plane in that area in the 1980s. He gave > me a briefing of the complexity and control of that airspace and made > me to know that some kind of dire explanation would be required if he > even attempted to go off course without some form of explanation. > > > >It has nothing to > >do with the FAA, it has to do with measuring on a map. > > > It has alot to do with the damned lying Jesuit. Surely you would not > even put attention to the point of how you are trying to convince us > that we should not have expected military jets to be anywhere around > those planes. We are not your stupid damned heretics as you think we > are! > > > >The FAA and the air traffic controllers may know that a plane is off course > >but they do not know why. There are many reasons it could happen and it > >does happen with regularity (which you would know if you knew anything about > >ATC). > > > Off course has to have explanation. The chronology was the plane > traveling, the transponder turned off. Crew making contact and > informing that the plane was hijacked. The planes changes course. In > all of this radar tracked them every step of the way. > > > >Similarly, if they do not raise them on the radios, they assume first > >there is a communications failure in the plane, not that it is a hijacking > >or something else (this is of course pre-9/11). > > > The terrorists first attacked the crew and people, then went into the > cockpit. There they turned off the transponders. By that time there > was already communication from crew members of the hijacking. > > > >It is then treated as a > >NORDO (no radio) aircraft and they vector the other planes out of the way, > >they don't shoot it down. So, while you are technically correct, your > >implication that because they know the aircraft is off course or off > >altitude or even off speed that they should have know they were going to > >crash into the WTC is in error. > > > Damned Jesuit naturally put words into my mouth with a SIZEABLE ERROR, > claiming that if the plane was off course, I was saying they should > have known it was headed toward the WTC buildings. > > > Since you err here, we need throw the Jesuit out with the lie! > > > >> Far distance? Walk it, dude! > > > >So, you think of all distance only in terms of walking? > > > I thought Jesuits were at least smart! > > > >I guess you must > >never leave your home unless you live right next to all the sotres, business > >and your place of employment (unless of course you don't have one), > >otherwise they would all be extremely far away. But, since we were tlaking > >about aircraft, the distance from Boston to NYC as the crow flies is 153nm > >(nautical miles, that's how we measure in airplanes) or somewhere around 20 > >minutes flying time minus delays for climb out and flying a particular > >approach. So, 20 minutes is not a far distance when talking about flying. > > > What about your error in claiming that by the planes going off course, > I was saying they should have known the planes were headed for the WTC > buildings? > > > Still, that's why Cheney was asked why no military protection was > around and the answer was not the lie given by this Jesuit excusing > such an attack that got through from such a great distance. > > > >> >To the rest of us > >> >it's not very far at all. > > > You mean other Jesuits who try to convince us all that we should not > have expected military jets to be around the attacking planes at 911? > > > > >> Walk it! To FAA rules, IT IS! The transponders were turned off and > > >> the towers knew the planes were hijacked long enough for military > >> planes to get there. If not... > > > >FAA rules say nothing about distance being long or short or even time being > >long or short or even people being tall or short. > > > Why did a Jesuit lie. I know there are no rules there, but I still > know that it was more than ample distance for a response after > informed that the planes were hijacked. I still know that it must be > a Jesuit to lie to us and tell us we should not have expected to see > military accompaniment nor protection from the attacks at 911 that > took 3,000 lives. Why did the Jesuit err? It is vital to lie with > his religion. > > > >They are concerned with > >wether an aircraft is heavy or not or single or dual piloted or what > >insturements they have, but not how long or short a distance is. > > > Didn't say that. Why are Jesuits still the same? He is trying to > convince us that we should not have expected military accompanyment > when we were attacked at 911 in controlled airspace. With his Jesuit > errors being intentional, IT CAN HAPPEN TODAY AGAIN IF TERRORISTS > MERELY MAKE IT TO THE PLANES AND THEY TAKE OFF!! > > > >The transponders were tunred off while in flight and guess what, that > >happens plenty of times a day all by itself without being a hijacking. > > > 3,000 are turning in their graves because of this damned > super-criminal! At that time crew members already phoned and gave > status report showing that the planes were being hijacked. The planes > then changed course. > > > The terrorists first attacked the crew and people, then went into the > cockpit and attacked the pilots, closing the doors behind them. By > that time a few who had communication made authorities to know what > was happening just after they were attacked. > > > >That's why they have this little button on the IFF controller box that says > >"IDENT". Do you know what that button does? When you press it, it > >highlights your transponder code on the ATC radar operator's screen. Do you > >know how many times in a cross country flight a controller will ask you to > >IDENT so he can find your aircraft? Now, how long is long enough for a > >military plane to get there. > > > Just saw a documentar of the 911 incident on the History Channel. > They didn't bother to inform us of the excuses this super-criminal is > showing us. As a matter of fact, they showed that there was already > concern at the towers because of the transponders being off. Air > traffic tried to make communication, but in vain. > > > >Oh, and let's make sure it's worth it. After > >all, what exactly can a military jet do to an airliner if it is not carrying > >armaments? > > > Ask for ID... > > > >He might, just might be able to ram it and force it to to come > >down early, but it is highly unlikely that he could make it crash > >immediately. So, now we have to have several things happen before you get > >an intercept, let's run them down for you: > > > Listening victims of 911 ressurrected??... > > > >- One, you have to have aircraft on an alert status. Pre 9/11 that was at > >best a 15 minute alert. That means the aircraft can be airborne within 15 > >minutes of getting an order to launch. > > > Especially in the direction the aircraft were travelling, that would > be no big deal if even true. Military jets don't have to chase planes > off course if some can follow behind and others can take off in front > of them. > > > No wonder Dick Cheney was too dumb to be smart like this Jesuit! He > instead replied that they didn't want to shoot the aircraft down. > > > >Now, pre 9/11 we did not have armed > >air defense fighters sitting on runways around the country waiting to launch > >and shoot things down. That whole mission was scaled back to almost nothing > >over the years as the cold war ended. But, in this case let's say you had > >some alert 15 jets sitting around. > >- Two, you have to get the alert order to launch. That means someone had to > >recognize not just that there was a problem, but it was a hijacking. That > >word then has to get passed to NORAD who then has to pass it back down to > >the closest airfield with alert aircraft. That all takes time that is not > >part of the 15 minute alert. > > > So the first plane hit, and then, after yet more time, the second one > just tip-toed right in, mystifying even British intelligence. > Military jets were nowhere to be found. Dick Cheney is still dumb for > not copying the lies of this super-criminal. These are just some of > the excuses I heard from super-criminals who also move in to divert > the facts of how certain people even worked to destroy air traffic > control records of the motions of those planes, and a few people > solidly profited from the tragedy! > > > >- Three, let's give you the benefit here and say the word from NORAD comes > >down to launch and shoot one of these airliners down so the alert aircraft > >must be armed. > > > Jesuit erred, putting words in my mouth. The object was not to shoot > it down. The object was to intercept and first inquire for ID. > > > >Mind you such a command pre 9/11 would have resulted in even > >more delays as people questioned the authority of the person giving the > >order to kill a couple hundred civilians. > > > Jesuit erred putting words in my mouth. The object was not to shoot > anything down if even it was a hijacking. Issues of ransom, etc., may > materialize. > > > >Anyway, so now you have to get > >the aircraft armed. That means getting to the weapons, loading them onto a > >vehicle to transport them to the aircraft and then loading them. This also > >takes time, more than 15 minutes. > > > No aircraft in ready status the man is claiming. Dick Cheney could > have come up with these excuses? Or should he and everyone else who > profited from the tragedy, give this Jesuit a medal! > > > >- Four, now you have to get airborne, get in contact with the proper agency > >(either that or wait on deck for the frequencies for the proper nets to get > >passed) and get a vector in the general direction of the target. > > > Military jets don't have to chase the plane. They can approach from > all directions: even in front of it. > > > >- Five, now you have to find the target. FYI, ATC controllers do not know > >how to run an airborne intercept, no matter what you may have seen in the > >movies. > > > When the passengers decided it was time to attack the terrorists in > one of the last planes, then a military jet approached and wasn't > hampered by all the errors this Jesuit just gave us! > > > >So, the question becomes, what military controllers do you have, do > >they have radar coverage of the area (the entire US is not covered by > >military radars nor are there hundreds of trained controllers just sitting > >around waiting to run an intercept) and can they talk with the aircraft > >(someone needs to know what their frequency is and get both them and the > >aircraft on the same one). > > > You mean Bush, Dick Cheney and everyone else asked about the > stupendous embarrassment couldn't think of these excuses even though > they are world famous for tellin' the truth! > > > >As for finding a target, in the movies it's > >always so nice and easy. There's this nice, identified blib that shows up > >on the radar screen and the fighter pilot just launches a missile from miles > >away and blam, down goes the bad guy. > > > Jesuit erred again. We need to toss him out. The object was not to > shoot anything! In a hijacking what is expected is a ransom and > negotiations. > > > >In reality, in that part of the > >country you would have dozens of blibs on your radar screen and you would > >have to figure out which is the one you want. Depending on the ability of > >the controller, the pilot and the quality of the ground radar picture, you > >might have to fly up to individual targets before you know which one is the > >one you want. > > > While everyone else has transponders and are identified and a few are > not! > > > >In any case, before you launched a missile at a passanger > >jet, > > > Jesuit errs again! Let's throw him out! Let's throw out his lies! > > > >I guarantee they required VID (visual ID) of the target, which mean the > >fighter would have to fly right up to it and make sure it was from the right > >airline and was the correct tail number before they could shoot. > > > Jesuit errs again! Let's throw him out! Let's throw out his lies! > > > >So, in reality, by the time a military jet could have gotten to the first > >aircraft that hit the WTC and been capable of shooting it down, it would > >have already crashed. At that point there might have been a chance to get > >to the second aircraft before it hit the WTC, but again, even with every > >possible benefit for time given to you, it would have been close at best. > >And THAT is reality. > > > Someone is arguing for the terrorists! > > > >> LET US IMBIBE OF YOUR COMMON SENSE TO THINK THAT THE SAME THING CAN > >> THEN HAPPEN AGAIN TODAY! > > > > >> >- "how did they know they could penetrate"...if you're talking about the > > >> >terrorists, considering the number of illegal immigrants who enter the > >> >country every day I would say their chances of successfully entering the > >> >country were very good. > > > >> You mean how do the terrorists know they can do the same thing again > >> today??? > > > >Your questin was about the 9/11 hijackers. If you want to go off on another > >subject fine, let me know. > > > But you mean the terrorists can do the same thing again. Planes can > fly over 150 miles and plow into buildngs without military > accompanyment? Jesuit erred by not stating accompanyment, but telling > us the jets had to shoot them down and ask questions later. > > > >But staying with your question, why do you think > >they had a big chance of getting caught considering they came into the > >country, in some cases months in advance? > > > How could they when Bush was occupied in a kindergarten class, and > then after the tragedy, became a dictator, started a war, hiked up > fuel prices, etc??? > > > >> >If you are talking about the airplanes, penetrating > >> >through the controlled airspace is also a simple thing, especially > >> >considering they didn't have to do it for very long. Anyone who flies an > >> >airplane understands that. > > > >> You mean they can do it again today? This one sounds like he knows > > > >> how to do it!! You mean those women crying while looking at the WTC > > >> buildings falling and asking how the hell those planes penetrated > >> should have known that it was just as easy as it is today??? > > > >Once again, if you want to dicsuss what the situation is today, that's > >another subject. > > > EVEN YESTERDAY! I ASKED ABOUT THE WOMEN DUDE! Why would they hold > their heads and cry looking at the towers instead of inquiring from a > Jesuit? Why couldn't Cheney be smart enough to lie like you have? > > > >You were making statements about what happened on 9/11 and > >you were getting them wrong. > > > But you're a Jesuit! Can you realize that you were wrong even > claiming that military jets were to spring into action to shoot down > jets off course OR EVEN HIJACKED?? We need to throw the Jesuit out > with the lies to the honor of those who have fallen! > > > >So far you haven't been able to defend a > >single mistake I pointed out except by trying to call it symantics. > > > IS THIS JESUIT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS??? I solidly defended what I > said! The entire history of these super-criminals on the internet > proves it because they cannot leave my posts after giving me their > psychiatric opinions. > > > Does this Jesuit even know that some of his friends posted that all > non-Catholics must die, and a whole slew of other correct Jesuits > leeched upon me with constant condemnations for exposing it, making > sure they said nothing about the people who made such statements of > death? > > > > >> >- "without even a military jet to accompany them"...If you took the time > > >to > >> >learn what alert postures are, what kind of posture we were in before > >9/11, > >> >how long it actually takes to arm, man and launch an aircraft and then > >how > >> >long it takes to actually conduct an intercept and locate the correct > >> >target, you would have some understanding why there were no military > >> >aircraft flying in formation or shooting these aircraft down. > > > >> After the transponders were turned off, the radar showed that the > >> planes were still traveling and then were diverted, then communication > >> with flight crew showing that the planes were hijacked?? > > > >> Remember, that on the third plane where the passengers were thinking > >> about attacking the terrorists, THEN a military jet showed up to take > >> care of the problem. BUT WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM??? > > > >> Again this terrorist is telling us it can easily happen again and that > >> we are nuts for expecting military jets to show up in controlled air > >> space! > > > >What terrorist is telling you anything? And I refer you back to my post > >above concerning how long it took PRE 9/11 for an armed aircraft to make an > >intercept. Once again, you want to talk about today as some kind of defense > >for the mistakes you posted concerning 9/11. > > > But you mean the terrorists can do the same thing again. Planes can > fly over 150 miles and plow into buildngs without military > accompanyment? Jesuit erred by not stating accompanyment, but telling > us the jets had to shoot them down and ask questions later. > > > > >> >- "risk of being laughing stocks to the Islamic world"...for what? > > > >> For not understanding why such a plot would be easily caught based on > >> the variables, and for other Islamists asking why they would even > >> attempt something like that! > > > >You think the Arab street would laugh at the 9/11 hijakers if they had > >gotten caught? > > > For attempting from such a distance and expecting it to go through, > they may well have! 50 years of being impregnable till guys came > telling us about a New World Order. We had all our rights all > throughout and didn't have to be paranoid to detain anyone without > charge or legal recourse and then torture them! > > > What was the explanation for such an enviable record before Bush and > the other New World Order guys? > > > >They would have hailed them for trying just as they have > >others who have not succeeded in getting to their targets. > > > Instead of chiding them for making better plans with planes that would > probably take off from New York! After making such a foiled mission, > America would more put up her guards and prevent future of such! > > > >To them the > >effort of attacking the Great Satan is worth it even if you don't get there. > > > Instead of chiding them for making better plans with planes that would > probably take off from New York! After making such a foiled mission, > America would more put up her guards and prevent future of such! > > > > >> >The > > >> >Islamic world routinely praises those who "attempt" to carry out attacks > >> >even if the attack itself is unsuccessful. > > > Instead of chiding them for making better plans with planes that would > probably take off from New York! After making such a foiled mission, > America would more put up her guards and prevent future of such! > > > >> But yet so stupidly? With such a natural failure if our government > >> did its job? > > > >What? > > > > You already erred! You are faulty... FAULTY!! MUST STERILIZE!! > > STEERRRIIILLLIIIZZZEEE!! > > > >> >So, the probability of being a > >> >laughing stock was laughably remote. > > > >> Why would they attempt such a ridiculous feat with all the variables > >> and risk being laughing stocks of the Islamic world? > > > >You still haven't shown me one reason why they would have been laughing > >stocks for trying and getting caught. > > > No one can show a Jesuit how the Arabs would have chided them for > taking off from such distances when there were closer options. > Centuries displays no reason, logic nor commonsense with the Jesuits. > > > I'm sorry that I showed how they may well have been considered > laughing stocks while you already erred and therefore your entire > argument and existence should be discarded according to your own > psychiatric rules. > > > >The suicide bobers who are caught by > >the Israelies for example, even if they don't wind up setting off their > >bombs are still hailed as patriots and martyrs. > > > Nothing really much stupid was done there. How else better can > suicide bombers operate? Start walking the distance from Boston to > New York to meet their targets? They went as close as they could. > > > >Those that blow themselves > >up but not at their intended targets are martyrs even so. Why would these > >hijakers think they would have been ridiculed for making the attempt and > >failing? > > > From that great distance as the distance in time to ever reason with a > Jesuit! > > > >Heck, we laugh at Richard Reed and his shoe bomb, but to the > >terrorists he is still a hero for what he TRIED to do. > > > His toe bomb was 150 miles away! > > > >> >Spend a little time on getting the facts straight please. > > > >> Yes but why would terrorists plan such a feat at the risk of being > >> laughing stocks? > > > >> Show us why we should not have expected military jets in the sky as > >> was immediately asked Dick Cheney after the attack. His reply was not > >> like yours. He said military jets were not there because they didn't > >> want to shoot the planes down! > > > >I've given you the reasoning above. > > > Like you erred telling me military jets have to fly up and start > shootin'! > > > ERROR!... MUST STERILIZE! Must throw out the Jesuit with the lie! > Hey, that was his psychiatric logic! > > > >If you still have questions go ahead > >and ask and I will answer them as best I can concerning how such things work > >and especially how they worked pre 9/11. > > > FIRST MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS THE POINTS I GAVE. So far you missed a > number of them intentionally! > > > No wonder Bush and Cheney even prohibited investigation of the tragedy > till years afterward where they had time to come up with an > "independent" commission that told us the tragedy took place because > Clinton didn't do his job! > > > >> I bet you also can't realize that people posted that all non-Catholics > >> must die over the internet and can only attack those who alert the > >> people about it! > > > >I can realize a lot of things but I don't understand what that has to do > >with anything. > > > Neither can you understand that in a time of anti-terror, if anyone > ever says something like that, it is high priority. Other like you > with your psychiatry and logic took the time to condemn me for > exposing this! > > > >Nor do I understand what your last staement has to do with > >anything being discussed here. > > > Jesuits come with logic and so-called facts, psychiatry and reason > first. If you show posters recently posting that all non-Catholics > must die, that persecution is biblical, that the US Constitution is > stupid and must be destroyed, and then you get attacked by Jesuits who > tell you you are hateful for posting it and making sure they say > nothing against those who posted the death mandates, you can be sure > their logic will match this guy! > > > It fits, because the Jesuit first came out to dominate the discussion > with his logic, but we can show that his mind is corrupt and > abandoned. > > > In His Grace, > > > Susan > > > x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com > x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups > x-- Access to over 1 Terabyte per Day - $8.95/Month > x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD >
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 | | From: | S.S.I.N. | | Subject: | Re: #ABANDONED JESUITS DARE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE 911 TRAGEDY!! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:01:11 GMT |
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 | "JM" > Suzi you are truly a nut case!!!! > Why do you hate Christians so much??? > And do you hate God also???? >
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