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 | | From: | Amadeus | | Subject: | New thing in team management | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 09:18:25 -0800 |
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 | About a year or two ago I started to notice "new hot thing" among
project managers with regard to team management. Every time new project
started they want all developers and project manager and business
analyst to move together into insolated space like room or big cubicle.
I understand that idea wasn't new but I am curious why it became
popular among management 1 1/2 years ago? I found it very
counterproductive for me. Being moved around the office every 2-3 mo,
now with new people, spending time on adaptation sometimes
unsuccessful. Now I have to stay in same room with that fat guy who is
talking on his cell with his stupid wife half day, smelly color QA guy
with his stinky food and IQ =74 and Me. What in the world would make
management to believe that I will be more productive in this "team"?
I used to sharing my office with 2-3 guys or girls, and BEFORE I was
asked if I am ok if someone will get the space next to me etc., but now
they practice "Agile" methods and they don't care. Before we used to
have meeting with issues list sent out to all participants and
carefully maintained - now I have to "talk it over" with new "team"
memebers and dcocumentation process is eroding degrading. I am pissed
off by this 2nd time now, and on look out for new job.
Sounds like it is new trend in general. Is this a part of some new
"Agile" process? Where is this idiocity came from !!!!????
Amadeus.
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| | From: | Steve Jorgensen | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:32:40 -0800 |
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| Well, moving project participants to a common workspace is part of most Agile
processes, but doing that is not, by itself, Agile. If you were working in an
Agile environment, you probably would be getting annoyed with the people
around you. You'd be interacting verbally enough with your pair and wouldn't
be sitting in the same place long enough to get that annoyed with someone's
habits.
Moving everyone together, then having them work as individuals (stovepipe)
seems to me to be the worst of both worlds. You want people to focus on tasks
alone, but don't give them the privacy or quiet to be able to do so.
On 21 Jan 2005 09:18:25 -0800, "Amadeus" wrote:
>About a year or two ago I started to notice "new hot thing" among
>project managers with regard to team management. Every time new project
>started they want all developers and project manager and business
>analyst to move together into insolated space like room or big cubicle.
>I understand that idea wasn't new but I am curious why it became
>popular among management 1 1/2 years ago? I found it very
>counterproductive for me. Being moved around the office every 2-3 mo,
>now with new people, spending time on adaptation sometimes
>unsuccessful. Now I have to stay in same room with that fat guy who is
>talking on his cell with his stupid wife half day, smelly color QA guy
>with his stinky food and IQ =74 and Me. What in the world would make
>management to believe that I will be more productive in this "team"?
>I used to sharing my office with 2-3 guys or girls, and BEFORE I was
>asked if I am ok if someone will get the space next to me etc., but now
>they practice "Agile" methods and they don't care. Before we used to
>have meeting with issues list sent out to all participants and
>carefully maintained - now I have to "talk it over" with new "team"
>memebers and dcocumentation process is eroding degrading. I am pissed
>off by this 2nd time now, and on look out for new job.
>
>Sounds like it is new trend in general. Is this a part of some new
>"Agile" process? Where is this idiocity came from !!!!????
>
>Amadeus.
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| | From: | Steve Jorgensen | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:06 -0800 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:32:40 -0800, Steve Jorgensen
wrote:
>Well, moving project participants to a common workspace is part of most Agile
>processes, but doing that is not, by itself, Agile. If you were working in an
>Agile environment, you probably would be getting annoyed with the people
>around you. You'd be interacting verbally enough with your pair and wouldn't
>be sitting in the same place long enough to get that annoyed with someone's
>habits.
Oops.
"you probably would be getting annoyed with the people around you"
should read
"you probably would -not- be getting annoyed with the people around you".
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| | From: | Phlip | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:55 GMT |
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| Steve Jorgensen wrote:
> Well, moving project participants to a common workspace is part of most
Agile
> processes, but doing that is not, by itself, Agile. If you were working
in an
> Agile environment, you probably would be getting annoyed with the people
> around you. You'd be interacting verbally enough with your pair and
wouldn't
> be sitting in the same place long enough to get that annoyed with
someone's
> habits.
>
> Moving everyone together, then having them work as individuals (stovepipe)
> seems to me to be the worst of both worlds. You want people to focus on
tasks
> alone, but don't give them the privacy or quiet to be able to do so.
The state-of-the-art is a wide-open area with a ring of pairstations at one
end - un-owned workstations with dual keyboards and mice. Then the other end
of the room has an array of cubies, small cubicles, containing cheap owned
computers.
Pairs rotate frequently, even mid-task, and nobody pair-programs for >7
hours a day.
If that doesn't sound familiar, maybe Amadeus is a victim of Management by
Magazine...
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Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces
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| | From: | Amadeus | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 12:40:11 -0800 |
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| Velocities ....
we are practicing some light PSP with several collegues for more than a
year. As far as I can compare my own performance from recent time logs
with what it was 3 month ago - it degraded 30-40% and getting worth.
Others were not measuring their performance so they have nothing to
compare with, just some "feelings". Hard to say about team performance
because new teams created for new projects and no team-wide stats on
performance ever collected.
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| | From: | Phlip | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:19:53 GMT |
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| Amadeus wrote:
> Velocities ....
> we are practicing some light PSP with several collegues for more than a
> year. As far as I can compare my own performance from recent time logs
> with what it was 3 month ago - it degraded 30-40% and getting worth.
> Others were not measuring their performance so they have nothing to
> compare with, just some "feelings". Hard to say about team performance
> because new teams created for new projects and no team-wide stats on
> performance ever collected.
So, a "common workspace", without pair programming, and with PSP is making
PSP's velocity go down.
This is good data!
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Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces
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| | From: | Phlip | | Subject: | Re: New thing in team management | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:19:48 GMT |
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| Amadeus wrote:
....
> I used to sharing my office with 2-3 guys or girls, and BEFORE I was
> asked if I am ok if someone will get the space next to me etc., but now
> they practice "Agile" methods and they don't care. Before we used to
> have meeting with issues list sent out to all participants and
> carefully maintained - now I have to "talk it over" with new "team"
> memebers and dcocumentation process is eroding degrading. I am pissed
> off by this 2nd time now, and on look out for new job.
What were your projects' velocities before and after transitioning to a
common workspace?
If you don't know...
> Sounds like it is new trend in general. Is this a part of some new
> "Agile" process? Where is this idiocity came from !!!!????
Me:
http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?HowToPissOffYourPair
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Phlip
http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces
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