 | | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:00:39 -0600 |
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 | I was urged to watch the recent NOVA program on the Piltdown Hoax and to
offer my thoughts to the Internet. Here goes.
My gift is logic and applying logic to this story I use one of my best
tools-- Occam's Razor. Occam's razor put in simple terms is that the
most simple of explanations is often the truth.
I think NOVA did a lousy and crummy job on this show of Piltdown Hoax. I
say that because of the huge logical flaws given time allotments to
irrelevancies. So much time spent on the author Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
when really no time should be spent on him when talking about the
Piltdown Hoax. The the huge amount of time spent on Hinton because of
some stained bones found in a attic trunk.
So little time spent on Woodward, when it was Woodward who was the
likely villian in this whole story.
Trouble with putting the majority blame or even 100% blame on Dawson is
that he lacks the scientific skill and knowledge to have committed this
hoax. However, Woodward possessed all the skill and knowledge to commit
the hoax. The skull bone of Piltdown was found by Woodward or in his
caretaking. The mastodon or other animal fossils connected to Piltdown
were all bones in the care of Woodward.
And when you add onto the fact that Woodward failed in all simple
testing of the age of Piltdown via nitrogen method or even examining the
teeth to see that they were filed orangutan jaw teeth.
The two facts that all the bones of Piltdown were first in the care of
Woodward and the fact that Woodward never mustered the most elementary
testing of the Piltdown claims indicates Woodward had ceased being a
scientist and was acting as a fraudster, probably even criminal
fraudsterism.
So Occam's Razor puts the majority blame on Woodward, because only
Woodward alone could have done the entire fraud by himself, but not
Dawson for he lacked the know how or the bones to carry out the fraud.
So either Woodward alone did the hoax or Woodward in collusion with
Dawson did the hoax. But Dawson alone could not have done the hoax.
Dawson had criminally played hoaxes with his other finds of a Roman
tablett and his other fossils were frauds. So I think what happened was
that Woodward wanted to do this hoax but needed an ally who was well
accomplished in fraud. That Dawson was entering into evil and did not
want to enter it alone but with a ally who was well entrenched in evil
fraud.
So the NOVA show should have spent at least 60% of the time on Woodward
and 40% of the time on Dawson as the culprits.
I was curious as to how Dawson died, for it said he was slated for
knighthood but died about 1916, prematurely. I wonder if Dawson died of
natural causes. I wonder this because if Woodward was in collusion with
Dawson, that if Dawson were knighted, and yet Woodward still unable to
even gain rank in the British Museum, yet both knowing each other as
fraud men and con men.
So, did Dawson die of natural causes or was there some suspicious foul
play in his death and whether Dawson can be excavated and autopsied or
whether a body dead since 1916 no longer has autopsy value.
Also, I never heard of a cricket bat in the Piltdown hoax until this
NOVA show.
And I think NOVA did a lousy job at the end by saying that Woodward was
just deluded and misguided. Rather instead, Woodward was the main
conspirator of the hoax. And even though he spent the last decades of
his life digging around Sus, is not because of deluded and misguided
scientist because of a guilt-ridden man consciously aware of his hoax.
The picture NOVA paints of Woodward is a deceived and misguided
scientist. The picture Occam's Razor paints of Woodward is a man who was
the judge and jury over Piltdown man requiring all sorts of tests of
age, of authenticity, of whether any signs of filing of teeth. And
Woodward never applied a single test of science. That spells the verdict
that Woodward was a co-conspirator of the Piltdown fraud.
NOVA should not have even mentioned Doyle nor Hinton.
But there could also have been another explanation. That England wanted
a fossil man since Germany had Neanderthal and France had Cromagnon and
cave paintings. So perhaps some high ranking politician or even the
royalty called up the Museum and told Woodward to carry out a hoax. Just
get a British fossil human so that England can compete with Germany and
France. And so Woodward desperate to fulfill the political demand placed
on him called Dawson to help guide him. IF this be the case then
Woodward comes out rather clean and the villians would be the
politicians or royalty who forced Woodward into a deceit.
I am rather disappointed in the shoddyness of this NOVA show and far low
in their standard of science quality.
Archimedes Plutonium
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| | From: | Lee Olsen | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | 18 Jan 2005 11:50:38 -0800 |
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> I was urged to watch the recent NOVA program on the Piltdown Hoax and
to
> offer my thoughts to the Internet. Here goes.
>
> My gift is logic and applying logic to this story I use one of my
best
> tools-- Occam's Razor. Occam's razor put in simple terms is that the
> most simple of explanations is often the truth.
>
> I think NOVA did a lousy and crummy job on this show of Piltdown
Hoax. I
> say that because of the huge logical flaws given time allotments to
> irrelevancies. So much time spent on the author Doyle (Sherlock
Holmes)
> when really no time should be spent on him when talking about the
> Piltdown Hoax. The the huge amount of time spent on Hinton because of
> some stained bones found in a attic trunk.
>
> So little time spent on Woodward, when it was Woodward who was the
> likely villian in this whole story.
>
> Trouble with putting the majority blame or even 100% blame on Dawson
is
> that he lacks the scientific skill and knowledge to have committed
this
> hoax. However, Woodward possessed all the skill and knowledge to
commit
> the hoax. The skull bone of Piltdown was found by Woodward or in his
> caretaking. The mastodon or other animal fossils connected to
Piltdown
> were all bones in the care of Woodward.
>
> And when you add onto the fact that Woodward failed in all simple
> testing of the age of Piltdown via nitrogen method or even examining
the
> teeth to see that they were filed orangutan jaw teeth.
>
> The two facts that all the bones of Piltdown were first in the care
of
> Woodward and the fact that Woodward never mustered the most
elementary
> testing of the Piltdown claims indicates Woodward had ceased being a
> scientist and was acting as a fraudster, probably even criminal
> fraudsterism.
>
> So Occam's Razor puts the majority blame on Woodward, because only
> Woodward alone could have done the entire fraud by himself, but not
> Dawson for he lacked the know how or the bones to carry out the
fraud.
>
> So either Woodward alone did the hoax or Woodward in collusion with
> Dawson did the hoax. But Dawson alone could not have done the hoax.
>
> Dawson had criminally played hoaxes with his other finds of a Roman
> tablett and his other fossils were frauds. So I think what happened
was
> that Woodward wanted to do this hoax but needed an ally who was well
> accomplished in fraud. That Dawson was entering into evil and did not
> want to enter it alone but with a ally who was well entrenched in
evil
> fraud.
>
> So the NOVA show should have spent at least 60% of the time on
Woodward
> and 40% of the time on Dawson as the culprits.
>
> I was curious as to how Dawson died, for it said he was slated for
> knighthood but died about 1916, prematurely. I wonder if Dawson died
of
> natural causes. I wonder this because if Woodward was in collusion
with
> Dawson, that if Dawson were knighted, and yet Woodward still unable
to
> even gain rank in the British Museum, yet both knowing each other as
> fraud men and con men.
>
> So, did Dawson die of natural causes or was there some suspicious
foul
> play in his death and whether Dawson can be excavated and autopsied
or
> whether a body dead since 1916 no longer has autopsy value.
>
> Also, I never heard of a cricket bat in the Piltdown hoax until this
> NOVA show.
>
> And I think NOVA did a lousy job at the end by saying that Woodward
was
> just deluded and misguided. Rather instead, Woodward was the main
> conspirator of the hoax. And even though he spent the last decades of
> his life digging around Sus, is not because of deluded and
misguided
> scientist because of a guilt-ridden man consciously aware of his
hoax.
>
> The picture NOVA paints of Woodward is a deceived and misguided
> scientist. The picture Occam's Razor paints of Woodward is a man who
was
> the judge and jury over Piltdown man requiring all sorts of tests of
> age, of authenticity, of whether any signs of filing of teeth. And
> Woodward never applied a single test of science. That spells the
verdict
> that Woodward was a co-conspirator of the Piltdown fraud.
>
> NOVA should not have even mentioned Doyle nor Hinton.
>
> But there could also have been another explanation. That England
wanted
> a fossil man since Germany had Neanderthal and France had Cromagnon
and
> cave paintings. So perhaps some high ranking politician or even the
> royalty called up the Museum and told Woodward to carry out a hoax.
Just
> get a British fossil human so that England can compete with Germany
and
> France. And so Woodward desperate to fulfill the political demand
placed
> on him called Dawson to help guide him. IF this be the case then
> Woodward comes out rather clean and the villians would be the
> politicians or royalty who forced Woodward into a deceit.
>
> I am rather disappointed in the shoddyness of this NOVA show and far
low
> in their standard of science quality.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1096-3642.2003.00079.x/full/
>
> Archimedes Plutonium
> www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
> of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:45:03 -0600 |
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| Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:00:39 -0600 Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
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>
> Dawson had criminally played hoaxes with his other finds of a Roman
> tablett and his other fossils were frauds. So I think what happened was
> that Woodward wanted to do this hoax but needed an ally who was well
> accomplished in fraud. That Dawson was entering into evil and did not
^^^^^^^
Woodward
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> want to enter it alone but with a ally who was well entrenched in evil
> fraud.
>
When typing fast I often write the wrong man. I meant to say Woodward and
corrected in the original post with Woodward (sic). Where the sic denotes a
added correction to the original.
But I should not make a post just to correct a typo. So let me expand on
the discussion.
One of the chain of events that implicates Woodward more than Dawson is the
event chain of bones needed. For example, when the skull was found and made
aware of in the small circle of scientists in anthropology, the next demand
was a jaw for that skull. Could Dawson, a weekend amateur know that a jaw
was next required. No, but Woodward would. Then after the skull and jaw
were assembled then the science quarter would make a next new demand, and
it was a canine tooth. Again, would Dawson know what the next demand would
be? Of course not. But Woodward would know each new demand corresponding
after every further assemblage. And we know that someone then seeded a fake
canine tooth into the gravel pit.
The amount of scientific knowledge needed to pull off this hoax could not
have been under a scenario were Woodward was a deluded and misguided person
with Dawson doing 100% of the fraud work. It had to have been a Woodward in
cohorts with Dawson. We cannot expect a scientist head of the geology dept
at British Museum to be a fool, a complete fool, where Dawson bowls over
Woodward as a 100% Dawson work. Instead the logic points to Woodward being
an accomplice of the sordid fraud, in fact the mastermind of the details of
the hoax, especially where details of science is involved.
There was no need for Woodward to run an age test, because, hey, he knew it
was a fraud. There was no need for Woodward to make any test for filing of
teeth or whether it looked like a modern day orangutan jaw, because, hey,
he masterminded the deceit.
Occam's Razor says that in a case such as this, we must look first to those
who can do the deed alone. That person would be the prime suspect. Dawson
could not have pulled it off alone because he was blind to the details
needed. That leaves us with either Woodward alone or Woodward partnered
with Dawson in committing the Piltdown hoax.
Archimedes Plutonium
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| | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:05:54 -0600 |
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| Funny how I should hit upon this snag. I want to know how Dawson died. I want
to know if it was by natural causes or whether he was murdered. Perhaps
poisoned.
The only thing I am able to find is "he died prematurely". But that does not
say how he died.
His role in the Piltdown Hoax would have rewarded him with a knighthood and
perhaps the first Englishman to gain knighthood from a fraud. So there would
have been several persons keen to see that such a shame would not come about.
So this story of the Piltdown Hoax is not going any further until a careful
examination of the causes of Dawson's death is revealed.
This would call for an autopsy to see if he had been poisoned. Unless of
course Dawson had been run over by a train or gone to France to fight in WW1
and shot by the Germans or something unmistakably *not murdered*.
I find it odd that no-one raises the issue of the death of Dawson, as if it
were kept silent.
Perhaps the most important clue of the Piltdown Hoax is the cause of death of
premature Dawson.
Because the entire Piltdown Hoax could be explained away that Woodward was
called up by the British royalty and asked to produce a English Hominid and
given a deadline date to reveal to the world. Woodward caught in such a
pressure joined with Dawson to manufacture a fraud.
See we need to explore how Dawson died, was it natural cause or was it murder.
Archimedes Plutonium
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| | From: | Philip Deitiker | | Subject: | Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:29:48 GMT |
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| Archimedes Plutonium says in
news:41ED7A32.52330507@iw.net:
> Funny how I should hit upon this snag. I want to know how Dawson
> died. I want to know if it was by natural causes or whether he
> was murdered.
I'll tell what's really funny.
A. how you keep talking to yourself as if anyone cares.
B. How you keep escaping my killfile.
C. Your whole public persona.
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| | From: | firstjois | | Subject: | Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:40:52 -0500 |
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| Philip Deitiker wrote:
>> Archimedes Plutonium says in
>> news:41ED7A32.52330507@iw.net:
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>>> Funny how I should hit upon this snag. I want to know how Dawson
>>> died. I want to know if it was by natural causes or whether he
>>> was murdered.
>>
>> I'll tell what's really funny.
>>
>> A. how you keep talking to yourself as if anyone cares.
>>
>> B. How you keep escaping my killfile.
>>
>> C. Your whole public persona.
You're messing something up, Philip, he's only a ghost on my pc. Just like
Marco.
Jois
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| | From: | Philip Deitiker | | Subject: | Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:43:23 GMT |
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| "firstjois" says in
news:ceKdnafb5P4hMXDcRVn-ig@comcast.com:
> Philip Deitiker wrote:
>>> Archimedes Plutonium says in
>>> news:41ED7A32.52330507@iw.net:
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>>>> Funny how I should hit upon this snag. I want to know how
>>>> Dawson died. I want to know if it was by natural causes or
>>>> whether he was murdered.
>>>
>>> I'll tell what's really funny.
>>>
>>> A. how you keep talking to yourself as if anyone cares.
>>>
>>> B. How you keep escaping my killfile.
>>>
>>> C. Your whole public persona.
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> You're messing something up, Philip, he's only a ghost on my pc.
> Just like Marco.
I need to do a nick filter on him, that ussually gets rid of
the stuff that just won't flush when you flip the handle.
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Philip
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| | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | is septicaemia murderable? Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:28:46 -0600 |
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| Aha, today I found out how Charles Dawson the Piltdown co-hoaxer died. It is
alleged that he had anaemia which worsened into septicaemia.
I take that as a natural causing death and that no murder had transpired. And I
leave this issue.
But before I leave, I ask the medical community as to whether it is possible to
murder someone using the blood poisoner of septicaemia?
Can you use septicaemia as a murder agent?
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| | From: | Rich Travsky | | Subject: | Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:01 -0700 |
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| Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
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> Funny how I should hit upon this snag. I want to know how Dawson died. I want
> to know if it was by natural causes or whether he was murdered. Perhaps
> poisoned.
He was hit with a rock.
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| | From: | Philip Deitiker | | Subject: | Re: the cause of Dawson's death-- no-one knows Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:49:29 GMT |
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| Rich Travsky says in
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> He was hit with a rock.
Rocks are natural. Maybe he was hit be bigfoot. That would have been
real natural.
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| | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:17:23 -0600 |
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| few minutes ago I wrote:
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> But there could also have been another explanation. That England wanted
> a fossil man since Germany had Neanderthal and France had Cromagnon and
> cave paintings. So perhaps some high ranking politician or even the
> royalty called up the Museum and told Woodward to carry out a hoax. Just
> get a British fossil human so that England can compete with Germany and
> France. And so Woodward desperate to fulfill the political demand placed
> on him called Dawson to help guide him. IF this be the case then
> Woodward comes out rather clean and the villians would be the
> politicians or royalty who forced Woodward into a deceit.
>
>
If the grave of Dawson is excavated and autopsied and found to have some
mischeviousness. Then I would be inclined to think that the ringleaders of
this Piltdown hoax was higher than even Woodward and Dawson. That the
perpetrators were some high government officials or even the royalty who
demanded that Woodward come up with a fossil man in England and given a
specific date to present a fossil man. So Woodward, pressured in this
manner would have joined with Dawson to foist the hoax.
And if Dawson did not die by natural causes, then the first suspects would
be those government officials or royalty who demanded a British fossil
find.
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| | From: | deowll | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:19:18 -0600 |
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I think Dawson spent something like 20 years digging in a worthless gravel
pit looking for more remains. That suggests he expected to find something.
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| | From: | Jonathan Sivier | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:29:29 -0600 |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:19:18 -0600, "deowll" wrote:
>I think Dawson spent something like 20 years digging in a worthless gravel
>pit looking for more remains. That suggests he expected to find something.
Dawson died in 1916 I think and after his death no more artifacts were found.
It was Woodward from the Natural History Museum who continued to look for
remains for many years.
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| | From: | Philip Deitiker | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural causes? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:34 GMT |
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| Jonathan Sivier says in
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> It was Woodward from the Natural History Museum who continued to
> look for remains for many years.
Woodward is a familiar name to us, he was the one who first
characterize homo rhodesiensis from africa. Kabwe 1, Broken Hill 1.
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| | From: | Archimedes Plutonium | | Subject: | Re: Occam's Razor on NOVA's Piltdown Hoax; did Dawson die of natural | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:09:23 -0600 |
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deowll wrote:
> I think Dawson spent something like 20 years digging in a worthless gravel
> pit looking for more remains. That suggests he expected to find something.
Another explanation is that he departed science when he teamed up with Dawson
to mastermind this hoax. Woodward becoming the ringleader and Dawson the
ally.
So the terrible feeling of guilt from doing such a fraud on science was so
overpowering that he would spend 20 years digging hoping to really find a
genuine fossil instead of the fakes he had perpetrated.
Woodward became antiscience when you went dereliction of duty to date the
skull and jaw. He went derelict of duty in not finding the teeth were filed
orangutan teeth. Woodward went derelict, and quite possibly he went insane or
batty (sorry for the pun of cricket bat found).
So a man departing from science which he spent most of his life doing to
embark in a fraud, is quite likely to spend the remainder of his life in that
gravel pit, for he could not go back to science, but consumed in his hoax.
Hoping to find a true genuine hominid and perhaps redeem himself of the bad
he had caused.
There is another explanation, that Woodward was forced by someone higher up
to mastermind the whole hoax and thus enlisting Dawson to help in the fraud,
since fraud was what Dawson was skilled at doing.
I still have not located how Dawson died. Since so much was riding on the
Piltdown hoax of knighthood and science reputations and even the science
reputation of England at large, there could well have been a call to
eliminate Dawson so that the hoax could die alongside him rather than
escalate and compound the shame. In this regard, it would be wise to unearth
Dawson and check for any foul play. I do not know if a body is still
autopsyable after 1916, whether there is much left to forensic science. If
Dawson had been poisoned, his bones may still show it. Would that not be so
very ironic that a man who dealt in bone fakery, is murdered and his own
bones then revealing it. God likes irony.
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