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 | | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800 |
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 | http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
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| | From: | Terry Lee Davis | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming??? | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 22:22:23 GMT |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
Time will tell. In the meantime, there is certainly some unusual
weather going on. What's worrisome is weather that isn't normally
seen in certain locals rearing it's ugly head. Heat waves in France
that kill people (last year), and tornados in Europe (that area isn't
really known for these). What's causing this is anybody's guess.
Personally, I don't care, because here in Texas we've had the mildest
winters for the last two years in my memory, and I've lived here in
Fort Worth all my life. As long as we don't have to pay for it with
summers like 1980 (temp was over 105 for 6 weeks, hell on earth if you
live in a mobile home like I did back then).
Global weather patterns change slowly, and we probably won't know for
another ten or twenty years who was right about the debate. I do get
concerned, though, when these changes could affect the phytoplankton
in the ocean (that produce a large amount of the planet's oxygen),
while the amazon rain forest is being depleted yearly (that produces
most of the rest). Plus a big ozone hole the size of Australia or so.
Ultraviolet light from the sun causes mutations in living things.
Some of these can be lethal or result in cancer for big life forms
like us.
So relax, stay tuned. It's way too late to change what's happening
anyhow, since it's on a different time scale and way big.
I just hope that folks are working on battery technology. I don't
want a hydrogen fuel cell car that will go up like the Hidenburg in a
crash.
Mobilis in Mobili
T. Davis
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| | From: | G. R. L. Cowan | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming??? | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:51:32 -0500 |
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| Terry Lee Davis wrote:
>
> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>
> Time will tell. In the meantime, there is certainly some unusual
> weather going on. What's worrisome is weather that isn't normally
> seen in certain locals rearing it's ugly head. Heat waves in France
> that kill people (last year), and tornados in Europe (that area isn't
> really known for these). What's causing this is anybody's guess.
> Personally, I don't care, because here in Texas we've had the mildest
> winters for the last two years in my memory, and I've lived here in
> Fort Worth all my life. As long as we don't have to pay for it with
> summers like 1980 (temp was over 105 for 6 weeks, hell on earth if you
> live in a mobile home like I did back then).
>
> Global weather patterns change slowly, and we probably won't know for
> another ten or twenty years who was right about the debate. I do get
> concerned, though, when these changes could affect the phytoplankton
> in the ocean (that produce a large amount of the planet's oxygen),
> while the amazon rain forest is being depleted yearly (that produces
> most of the rest). Plus a big ozone hole the size of Australia or so.
> Ultraviolet light from the sun causes mutations in living things.
> Some of these can be lethal or result in cancer for big life forms
> like us.
>
> So relax, stay tuned. It's way too late to change what's happening
> anyhow, since it's on a different time scale and way big.
>
> I just hope that folks are working on battery technology. I don't
> want a hydrogen fuel cell car that will go up like the Hidenburg in a
> crash.
Those aren't the only options. Combustion batteries
such as I advocate are a third option
(use air oxygen to burn something whose ash is solid,
convert the heat with a heat engine, retain the ash
as a battery does) and nuclear production of hydrocarbons
from atmospheric CO2 and water, or biologically grown ones
from the same source, are carbon-neutral fourth and fifth options,
in diminishing order, in my opinion, of sensibleness.
-- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
How individual mobility gains nuclear cachet
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| | From: | Winston Smith | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming??? | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:50:35 -0700 |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 22:22:23 GMT, Terry Lee Davis
wrote:
Please don't modify the Subject line. That only breaks the thread.
If you want to express your opinion of a claim in the subject, put it
in your body.
---
W§ mostly in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800 |
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Bill Ward wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >
>
> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
> verification of it's credibility.
>
> JW, is that you again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Ward
Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream water
flow or not?
Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
water to the north affecting the climate or not?
Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
not?
Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
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| | From: | Bill Ward | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:47:29 GMT |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Bill Ward wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>> >
>>
>> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
>> verification of it's credibility.
>>
>> JW, is that you again?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill Ward
>
>Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream water
>flow or not?
Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
>
>Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
>water to the north affecting the climate or not?
Same as above.
>
>Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
>not?
I saw claims, not facts. Not convincing, coming from a site
pushing UFO's and
"Harmony BioResonator Cards from Russia. These can be used
not only to restore the pristine structure of water, but
also for a wide range of applications, from cellphone
protection and healing to restoring the Sacred Geometry
energetic patterns in your home and office."
Perhaps you will excuse my skepticism, but the site seems a
poor reference for a sci.* NG.
>
>Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
A long-time contributor to s.e.h with a propensity to post
incredible claims with arm-waving arguments based primarily
on hearsay. He also likes to use ids with cute numbers
embedded. First "H20POWERED", then "IfItoldUIdhave2killU".
From your posts so far, I would expect you have a lot in
common. I suspect he would buy into melting ice cap
conpiracies in a heartbeat.
Regards,
Bill Ward
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 19:25:11 -0800 |
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Gunner wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
> >
> >If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
>
> In other words....No he has no facts to back anything up.
>
> Gunner
No answer to the question noted.
You can use a reading lesson too Gunless.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22polar+ice+melt%22&btnG=Google+Search
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| | From: | Gunner | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:32:02 GMT |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 19:25:11 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Gunner wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
>> >
>> >If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
>>
>> In other words....No he has no facts to back anything up.
>>
>> Gunner
>
>No answer to the question noted.
>
>You can use a reading lesson too Gunless.
>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22polar+ice+melt%22&btnG=Google+Search
Lots of speculation, few facts if any. Please be so kind to respond
to the OPs request for credible evidence.
And please review the dictionary for the definitions of "claims" and
"facts", Chewshoes.
Gunner
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 20:58:04 -0800 |
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knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bill Ward wrote:
> > On 16 Jan 2005 16:02:05 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Bill Ward wrote:
> > >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Bill Ward wrote:
> > >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Here I did it for you Mr. "Science."
> > >
> > >"polar ice melt"
> >
>
>http://www.google.com/search?tab=gw&q=%22polar%20ice%20melt%22&hl=en&
> > >
> > >Try reading before you post disinfo so fast as to not even have
had
> > >time to read the cited article.
> >
> > That was a Google search, and one of the first hits was:
> >
> > http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00166.htm
> >
> > In that I found:
> >
> > [Begin quote]
> > Global warming, if it is indeed occurring, has been slight
> > so far. I say "if it is indeed
> > occurring", because the ability to measure
> > surface and upper atmospheric temperatures over the past
> > hundred years or so and our understanding
> > of how to average the temperatures from measurement stations
> > over that period is still debated and
> > being investigated. A slight warming trend appears
> > to have occurred over the past 100 years, although most of
> > that has occurred since World War II and
> > especially since the early 1980s. Whether this has been
> > caused by man or is part of a natural
> > cycle (or perhaps both) remains to be shown.
> >
> > Recent data suggest that the polar ice has not decreased as
> > at first thought, but, for the North
> > pole in particular, may have slightly thinned due to a
> > natural cycle. This requires more study.
> > The ice cap on Greenland has not changed in total amount,
> > but in extent, having increased in
> > thickness in the central part of the island while decreasing
> > in depth near the coast. Some
> > glaciers are decreasing in some areas of the world, but are
> > increasing in others. There is a
> > lot of seemingly contradictory information that has yet to
> > be sorted out in the global climate
> > change picture.
> > [End quote]
> >
> > I'm not going to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed
> > person, I'm just showing you that there is more to the issue
> > than you apparently realize. A Google search is a pointer
> > to potential references, not a reference in itself. Try
> > actually reading and understanding the references you post.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill Ward
>
>
> And, SO, you know more than the Union of Concerned Scientists?
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22union+of+concerned+scientists*+global+warming*%22&btnG=Search
> Your posts are garbage.
And you know more than the ONE ethical person in government who would
tell us all the truth?
http://www.rense.com/general61/aamer.htm
Americans 'Trying To Discredit'
Brit Chief Scientist
By Steve Connor
Science Editor
The Independent - UK
1-17-5
The Government's chief scientific adviser is being aggressively
targeted by American lobbyists trying to discredit his view that
man-made pollution is behind global warming.
In an interview with The Independent, Sir David King said he was being
followed around the world by people in the pay of vested-interest
groups that want to cast doubt on the science of climate change.
Last year, Sir David said the threat from global warming was greater
than that posed by international terrorism and he has criticised the
Bush administration for pulling out of the Kyoto treaty to limit
greenhouse gas emissions.
Since then, he has given many lectures to international audiences but
found individuals among them who are there solely to create the
impression that he is presenting biased information.
"They'll be in the audience to stand up and raise questions to get into
the audience's mind that I haven't represented a balanced view," he
said.
"You have a group of lobbyists, some of whom are chasing me around the
planet, which I'm chuffed about because it means they are worrying
about what I'm saying, and these lobbyists stand up after I've given an
hour's talk and say, 'There are scientists who disagree with you'," Sir
David said.
"I always say, 'Which bit of the science that I've just presented to
you are you challenging'? I don't get the answer."
Yea but "he ain't credible because the article is linked to rense.com"
right?
Sure, sure, sure....
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| | From: | Gunner | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:35:47 GMT |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 20:58:04 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>And you know more than the ONE ethical person in government who would
>tell us all the truth?
Oh oh...out comes the Grand Conspiracy...
Will the villains be the Freemasons?
Will the villains be the Illuminati?
Will they be the Trilateralists?
Boys from Brazil?
Aliens from Zeta Iv?
Cal Tech AI experiment gone terribly wrong?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Gunner
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800 |
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Bill Ward wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Bill Ward wrote:
> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >> >
> >>
> >> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
> >> verification of it's credibility.
> >>
> >> JW, is that you again?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bill Ward
> >
> >Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream
water
> >flow or not?
>
> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
Why don't you do some research before you say shit or just post a
BETTER article refuting the facts of polor ice melt and fresh water
affects on global water flows effects on the weather?
> >
> >Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
> >water to the north affecting the climate or not?
>
> Same as above.
>
Same what as above? Your non-refutive rufutation of the basic facts of
polar ice melt?
> >
> >Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
> >not?
>
> I saw claims, not facts.
Liar.
The basic facts of polar ice melt are there. The effects on the weather
are matching the models.
As to the web page owners theories about other forces, it is a red
herring of a straw man.
>Not convincing, coming from a site
> pushing UFO's and
>
See, straw man.
> "Harmony BioResonator Cards from Russia. These can be used
> not only to restore the pristine structure of water, but
> also for a wide range of applications, from cellphone
> protection and healing to restoring the Sacred Geometry
> energetic patterns in your home and office."
>
You can't kill the message by killing the messenger, but then again
that is News Group Disinfo Tactics 101.
> Perhaps you will excuse my skepticism, but the site seems a
> poor reference for a sci.* NG.
> >
Thes groups are a joke and you know it.
When was the last time you posted any "science?"
> >Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
>
> A long-time contributor to s.e.h with a propensity to post
> incredible claims with arm-waving arguments based primarily
> on hearsay. He also likes to use ids with cute numbers
> embedded. First "H20POWERED", then "IfItoldUIdhave2killU".
>
You again did not answer the question.
You simply want to kill the messenger.
> From your posts so far, I would expect you have a lot in
> common. I suspect he would buy into melting ice cap
> conpiracies in a heartbeat.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Ward
So you have proof that the two ice shelfs have not fallen off and that
another one that they say will "never" fall off is cracking?
Or are you arguing that two huge ice shelfs have not broken of in
recent years?
Are you going to refute any of the facts with facts?
Or continue to use NG Disinfo tactics?
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| | From: | Bill Ward | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:47:34 GMT |
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| On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Bill Ward wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bill Ward wrote:
>> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
>> >> verification of it's credibility.
>> >>
>> >> JW, is that you again?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Bill Ward
>> >
>> >Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream
>water
>> >flow or not?
>>
>> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
>
>If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
>
>Why don't you do some research before you say shit or just post a
>BETTER article refuting the facts of polor ice melt and fresh water
>affects on global water flows effects on the weather?
>
>> >
>> >Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
>> >water to the north affecting the climate or not?
>>
>> Same as above.
>>
>Same what as above? Your non-refutive rufutation of the basic facts of
>polar ice melt?
>
>> >
>> >Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
>> >not?
>>
>> I saw claims, not facts.
>
>Liar.
>The basic facts of polar ice melt are there. The effects on the weather
>are matching the models.
>
>As to the web page owners theories about other forces, it is a red
>herring of a straw man.
>
>>Not convincing, coming from a site
>> pushing UFO's and
>>
>See, straw man.
>
>> "Harmony BioResonator Cards from Russia. These can be used
>> not only to restore the pristine structure of water, but
>> also for a wide range of applications, from cellphone
>> protection and healing to restoring the Sacred Geometry
>> energetic patterns in your home and office."
>>
>You can't kill the message by killing the messenger, but then again
>that is News Group Disinfo Tactics 101.
>
>> Perhaps you will excuse my skepticism, but the site seems a
>> poor reference for a sci.* NG.
>> >
>
>Thes groups are a joke and you know it.
>When was the last time you posted any "science?"
>
>> >Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
>>
>> A long-time contributor to s.e.h with a propensity to post
>> incredible claims with arm-waving arguments based primarily
>> on hearsay. He also likes to use ids with cute numbers
>> embedded. First "H20POWERED", then "IfItoldUIdhave2killU".
>>
>You again did not answer the question.
>You simply want to kill the messenger.
>
>> From your posts so far, I would expect you have a lot in
>> common. I suspect he would buy into melting ice cap
>> conspiracies in a heartbeat.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill Ward
>
>So you have proof that the two ice shelfs have not fallen off and that
>another one that they say will "never" fall off is cracking?
>Or are you arguing that two huge ice shelfs have not broken of in
>recent years?
>Are you going to refute any of the facts with facts?
>Or continue to use NG Disinfo tactics?
>
K--chew (or JW), you misunderstand. I'm not trying to kill
the messenger, I'm just laughing at him. It's very
difficult to take seriously anyone dressed in a clown suit,
pointing at a circus.
Until you learn the difference between claims and facts,
your role in s.e.h is strictly comic relief.
Come back when you can make a lucid case.
While the rest of us are waiting, some might find amusement
on this page of the cited website:
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/articles.htm
Regards,
Bill Ward
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| | From: | Don Lancaster | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:35:07 -0700 |
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| Bill Ward wrote:
>
> On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Bill Ward wrote:
> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Bill Ward wrote:
> >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
> >> >> verification of it's credibility.
> >> >>
> >> >> JW, is that you again?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill Ward
> >> >
> >> >Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream
> >water
> >> >flow or not?
> >>
> >> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
> >
> >If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
> >
> >Why don't you do some research before you say shit or just post a
> >BETTER article refuting the facts of polor ice melt and fresh water
> >affects on global water flows effects on the weather?
> >
> >> >
> >> >Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
> >> >water to the north affecting the climate or not?
> >>
> >> Same as above.
> >>
> >Same what as above? Your non-refutive rufutation of the basic facts of
> >polar ice melt?
> >
> >> >
> >> >Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
> >> >not?
> >>
> >> I saw claims, not facts.
> >
> >Liar.
> >The basic facts of polar ice melt are there. The effects on the weather
> >are matching the models.
> >
> >As to the web page owners theories about other forces, it is a red
> >herring of a straw man.
> >
> >>Not convincing, coming from a site
> >> pushing UFO's and
> >>
> >See, straw man.
> >
> >> "Harmony BioResonator Cards from Russia. These can be used
> >> not only to restore the pristine structure of water, but
> >> also for a wide range of applications, from cellphone
> >> protection and healing to restoring the Sacred Geometry
> >> energetic patterns in your home and office."
> >>
> >You can't kill the message by killing the messenger, but then again
> >that is News Group Disinfo Tactics 101.
> >
> >> Perhaps you will excuse my skepticism, but the site seems a
> >> poor reference for a sci.* NG.
> >> >
> >
> >Thes groups are a joke and you know it.
> >When was the last time you posted any "science?"
> >
> >> >Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
> >>
> >> A long-time contributor to s.e.h with a propensity to post
> >> incredible claims with arm-waving arguments based primarily
> >> on hearsay. He also likes to use ids with cute numbers
> >> embedded. First "H20POWERED", then "IfItoldUIdhave2killU".
> >>
> >You again did not answer the question.
> >You simply want to kill the messenger.
> >
> >> From your posts so far, I would expect you have a lot in
> >> common. I suspect he would buy into melting ice cap
> >> conspiracies in a heartbeat.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bill Ward
> >
> >So you have proof that the two ice shelfs have not fallen off and that
> >another one that they say will "never" fall off is cracking?
> >Or are you arguing that two huge ice shelfs have not broken of in
> >recent years?
> >Are you going to refute any of the facts with facts?
> >Or continue to use NG Disinfo tactics?
> >
>
> K--chew (or JW), you misunderstand. I'm not trying to kill
> the messenger, I'm just laughing at him. It's very
> difficult to take seriously anyone dressed in a clown suit,
> pointing at a circus.
>
> Until you learn the difference between claims and facts,
> your role in s.e.h is strictly comic relief.
>
> Come back when you can make a lucid case.
>
> While the rest of us are waiting, some might find amusement
> on this page of the cited website:
>
> http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/articles.htm
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Ward
>
>
Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/bashpseu.pdf
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| | From: | Gunner | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:18:52 GMT |
|
|
| On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
>
>If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
In other words....No he has no facts to back anything up.
Gunner
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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| | From: | Dan | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:25:29 -0800 |
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|
|
"Gunner" wrote in message
news:sgbmu0hlg3hfso5mnugfes1db00v44rii3@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
> >
> >If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
>
> In other words....No he has no facts to back anything up.
>
> Gunner
>
> "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
> miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
> demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
> Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
This from a guy who still believes Bush, after Bush himself has twice told
us that he (Bush) was lying.
Mr. Gullibility, himself.
Dan
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| | From: | Strider | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:04:02 GMT |
|
|
| On 16 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Bill Ward wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2005 11:45:48 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bill Ward wrote:
>> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> And be sure not to miss the home page for further
>> >> verification of it's credibility.
>> >>
>> >> JW, is that you again?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Bill Ward
>> >
>> >Is the ice melting and flooding fresh water into the Gulf Stream
>water
>> >flow or not?
>>
>> Don't know. Do you have any credible evidence?
>
>If I did, why would I expect anything but derision from those here?
If you had the habit of posting verifiable facts then people wouldn't
deride you so much and if they did you would have at least one leg to
stand upon when trying to make your point.
Strider
>
>Why don't you do some research before you say shit or just post a
>BETTER article refuting the facts of polor ice melt and fresh water
>affects on global water flows effects on the weather?
>
>> >
>> >Is this slowing down the saltwater river flow which bring the warm
>> >water to the north affecting the climate or not?
>>
>> Same as above.
>>
>Same what as above? Your non-refutive rufutation of the basic facts of
>polar ice melt?
>
>> >
>> >Do you hve something to refute the facts as stated in the article or
>> >not?
>>
>> I saw claims, not facts.
>
>Liar.
>The basic facts of polar ice melt are there. The effects on the weather
>are matching the models.
>
>As to the web page owners theories about other forces, it is a red
>herring of a straw man.
>
>>Not convincing, coming from a site
>> pushing UFO's and
>>
>See, straw man.
>
>> "Harmony BioResonator Cards from Russia. These can be used
>> not only to restore the pristine structure of water, but
>> also for a wide range of applications, from cellphone
>> protection and healing to restoring the Sacred Geometry
>> energetic patterns in your home and office."
>>
>You can't kill the message by killing the messenger, but then again
>that is News Group Disinfo Tactics 101.
>
>> Perhaps you will excuse my skepticism, but the site seems a
>> poor reference for a sci.* NG.
>> >
>
>Thes groups are a joke and you know it.
>When was the last time you posted any "science?"
>
>> >Who is JW and what does he have to do with the melting ice caps?
>>
>> A long-time contributor to s.e.h with a propensity to post
>> incredible claims with arm-waving arguments based primarily
>> on hearsay. He also likes to use ids with cute numbers
>> embedded. First "H20POWERED", then "IfItoldUIdhave2killU".
>>
>You again did not answer the question.
>You simply want to kill the messenger.
>
>> From your posts so far, I would expect you have a lot in
>> common. I suspect he would buy into melting ice cap
>> conpiracies in a heartbeat.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill Ward
>
>So you have proof that the two ice shelfs have not fallen off and that
>another one that they say will "never" fall off is cracking?
>Or are you arguing that two huge ice shelfs have not broken of in
>recent years?
>Are you going to refute any of the facts with facts?
>Or continue to use NG Disinfo tactics?
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 19 Jan 2005 08:07:06 -0800 |
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|
|
Bill Ward wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:11:59 GMT, Sue
> wrote:
>
> >On 17 Jan 2005 20:25:04 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'm not afraid to read the book.
> >
> >Yes, I believe you are.
> >
> >>I am too busy reading factual reports and watching the environmetal
> >>destruction right before my eyes.
> >
> >Out of the goodness of my heart and for your benefit I'm going to
give
> >you some suggestions on how to turn extra time into reading time.
> >
> >If you have children that you have to pick up at various places
> >(school, sporting events, dances, etc) you know that they hardly
ever
> >get out on time so take a book and relax with some reading time.
> >
> >If you work at a job where you have coffee break time don't sit
around
> >and visit with your co-workers - read.
> >
> >If you have a particularly long stop light and you just miss the
green
> >read a couple of paragraphs in a book (of course, you have to keep
> >looking up to see when the light changes).
> >
> >When you go to a doctor's appt (or lawyer or whatever) don't read
the
> >magazines in the waiting room - read.
> >
> >Instead of taking a shower, take a bath. Great reading time.
> >
> >Here's one of my favorites. Do you have a Sonicare toothbrush?
It's
> >timed to run for 2 minutes. Set the book on the side of the sink
and
> >read away that time.
> >
> >Yes, you said that you do read, but these suggestions are meant to
> >give you *extra* reading time. Maybe time for this book.
> >
> >>When you grow up in a few years and there are no more fish, no
water to
> >>drink, or no air to breath, MAYBE you will wake up.
> >
> >I'll be dead by then (most likely being older than you) and there
will
> >be no waking up.
> >Sue - from the 1st or 2nd most air polluted area in the US
>
> Sue, his problem is not lack of time to read, but
> comprehension. He has adopted a policy of aggressive
> ignorance, showing belligerence toward anyone who questions
> the credibility of his dubious sources.
Oh, the Union of Concerned Scientists is dubious?
>He has refused to
> learn even the most rudimentary principles of science,
> although many have tried to help him.
Sure. There ain't no science behind climate change?
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22science*+climate+change*%22&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
>He appears not to
> even know the difference between facts and claims, much less
> be able to analyse them and come to any rational conclusion.
But you have yet to refute anything and think I should read a fiction
book.
> His usual MO is to post some wild claim, then expect readers
> to do the research to refute it.
>
But you haven't.
All you have done is throw mud.
And "global warming" is a "wild claim?"
> He, or someone uncannily like him (JW), lost money in
> Stanley Meyer's infamous water powered car scam. That may
> have been the tipping point. He appears to have lost any
> critical thinking ability he may have had, as he seems to
> fall for every wacky conspiracy theory that comes along.
>
More unsubstantiated dirt noted.
Is this your science?
> Good luck in your attempts to communicate with him.
>
> I've just about given up.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Ward
>
Is that a promise?
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| | From: | Robert Sturgeon | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:55:23 -0800 |
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|
| On 19 Jan 2005 08:07:06 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
(snips)
>Sure. There ain't no science behind climate change?
>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22science*+climate+change*%22&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
Try http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ufo&btnG=Search
>>He appears not to
>> even know the difference between facts and claims, much less
>> be able to analyse them and come to any rational conclusion.
>
>But you have yet to refute anything and think I should read a fiction
>book.
Yes, for the data included; data that you probably don't
want to see.
>> His usual MO is to post some wild claim, then expect readers
>> to do the research to refute it.
>>
>But you haven't.
>All you have done is throw mud.
>And "global warming" is a "wild claim?"
It is a theory without supporting data, not an actual
phenomenon. To claim that it is really occurring is,
indeed, a wild claim.
(rest snipped)
--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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| | From: | Retief | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 15:47:49 GMT |
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| Robert Sturgeon wrote:
>>But you haven't.
>>All you have done is throw mud.
>>And "global warming" is a "wild claim?"
It IS a wild claim... Unless you also call June being warmer than
January "global warming". I notice that the global warmists alway
compare the present temperature to 1850, or thereabouts. 1850 is
generally recognized as the end of the "Little Ice Age". So, it's
warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age, and we're
supposed to agree with you that this is somehow anomalous, and
anthopogenic? What a load of crap.
> It is a theory without supporting data, not an actual
> phenomenon. To claim that it is really occurring is,
> indeed, a wild claim.
Actually, it is NOT a THEORY. A _theory_ is a hypothesis that is tested
and found to be consistant with experimental/experiential measurement.
Since these global warming hypotheses (the many different GCMs) do not
correctly predict the temperature, atmospheric water load, or cloud
cover, THEY ARE WRONG! And thus they are not "theories".
Retief
--
Use no 'z's (at all) to reply -- I hate spammers
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| | From: | Robert Sturgeon | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:37:29 -0800 |
|
|
| On 23 Jan 2005 15:47:49 GMT, Retief
wrote:
>Robert Sturgeon wrote:
>
>>>But you haven't.
>>>All you have done is throw mud.
>>>And "global warming" is a "wild claim?"
>
>It IS a wild claim... Unless you also call June being warmer than
>January "global warming". I notice that the global warmists alway
>compare the present temperature to 1850, or thereabouts. 1850 is
>generally recognized as the end of the "Little Ice Age". So, it's
>warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age, and we're
>supposed to agree with you that this is somehow anomalous, and
>anthopogenic? What a load of crap.
>
>> It is a theory without supporting data, not an actual
>> phenomenon. To claim that it is really occurring is,
>> indeed, a wild claim.
>
>Actually, it is NOT a THEORY. A _theory_ is a hypothesis that is tested
>and found to be consistant with experimental/experiential measurement.
>
>Since these global warming hypotheses (the many different GCMs) do not
>correctly predict the temperature, atmospheric water load, or cloud
>cover, THEY ARE WRONG! And thus they are not "theories".
OK
--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 18 Jan 2005 20:36:53 -0800 |
|
|
|
Sue wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Sue wrote:
> >> On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sue wrote:
> >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
doubt
> >you
> >> >> would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe
and
> >> >> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
question.
> >> >> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific
> >date
> >> >is
> >> >> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
> >> >> Sue
> >> >
> >> >Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
"environmentalists?"
> >> >Sheeeesh.
> >>
> >> Read the book or are you afraid to?
> >> Sue
> >
> >
> >I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
world.
> >I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before my
> >eyes.
>
> Your eyes can see global warming?
No, I see and read about the factores creating what is called "climate
change."
>Wow. We just had a whole bunch of
> rain so my eyes tell me there isn't any such thing. The news shows
> all that snow in the Sierras so there is no global warming if I rely
> on my eyes. Relying on one's eyes alone would also lead one in
> Minnesota to believe there is no such thing. Please do remember that
> global warming is the topic.
Yup, and the sypmtoms of climate change is more and wider swings in
climate extremes.
> The book (which I have just finished) has a bibliography of about
165
> books, scientific journals and studies - probably many that you have
> read.
I've read a few.
>IOW the author did homework.
Then he wrote a fiction book interlaced with facts.
>There's nothing more pathetic
> than someone who has made up his mind and refuses to consider any
> other possibilities.
> Sue
I would be the first to investigate a "global warming" conspiracy if it
made sense.
The problem is that the bigger goal of the world controlers of wiping
out 90% of the human race doesn't jive with a hoax of global warming. T
he controllers that have their compounds 5 miles underground in
Balarat, Clorado, et al. are using whatever means they can to kill off
the "useless eaters" while being sure to line their pockets as you and
your friends die off.
Thus they will pollute us to death, while lining their pockets,
thinking they will live to repopulate the planet after the die off.
These people are long term thinkers and are quite patient. They don't
care if it takes 50 years of insidious and creeping decline as it gives
them more time to bleed off the life blood and labors of those who will
die.
You see they don't care about you and me.
These are old money people who have had their way for 100's of years.
For whom do you work?
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| | From: | Worry Not | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:10:36 -0600 |
|
|
| begin knews4u2chew@yahoo.com piddled around and finally wrote:
> When someone told me to play on the highway, I got hurt. Why did they tell me
> to do that?
|
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| | From: | Michael Davis | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:32:21 -0500 |
|
|
| knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Forwarded to AUK where this loony rant really belongs.
> Sue wrote:
>
>>On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sue wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sue wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
>
> doubt
>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>>>would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe
>
> and
>
>>>>>>people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
>
> question.
>
>>>>>>It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific
>>>
>>>date
>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>>manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
>>>>>>Sue
>>>>>
>>>>>Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
>
> "environmentalists?"
>
>>>>>Sheeeesh.
>>>>
>>>>Read the book or are you afraid to?
>>>>Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
>
> world.
>
>>>I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before my
>>>eyes.
>>
>>Your eyes can see global warming?
>
>
> No, I see and read about the factores creating what is called "climate
> change."
>
>
>>Wow. We just had a whole bunch of
>>rain so my eyes tell me there isn't any such thing. The news shows
>>all that snow in the Sierras so there is no global warming if I rely
>>on my eyes. Relying on one's eyes alone would also lead one in
>>Minnesota to believe there is no such thing. Please do remember that
>>global warming is the topic.
>
>
> Yup, and the sypmtoms of climate change is more and wider swings in
> climate extremes.
>
>
>>The book (which I have just finished) has a bibliography of about
>
> 165
>
>>books, scientific journals and studies - probably many that you have
>>read.
>
>
> I've read a few.
>
>
>>IOW the author did homework.
>
>
> Then he wrote a fiction book interlaced with facts.
>
>
>
>>There's nothing more pathetic
>>than someone who has made up his mind and refuses to consider any
>>other possibilities.
>>Sue
>
>
> I would be the first to investigate a "global warming" conspiracy if it
> made sense.
> The problem is that the bigger goal of the world controlers of wiping
> out 90% of the human race doesn't jive with a hoax of global warming. T
> he controllers that have their compounds 5 miles underground in
> Balarat, Clorado, et al. are using whatever means they can to kill off
> the "useless eaters" while being sure to line their pockets as you and
> your friends die off.
> Thus they will pollute us to death, while lining their pockets,
> thinking they will live to repopulate the planet after the die off.
> These people are long term thinkers and are quite patient. They don't
> care if it takes 50 years of insidious and creeping decline as it gives
> them more time to bleed off the life blood and labors of those who will
> die.
> You see they don't care about you and me.
> These are old money people who have had their way for 100's of years.
> For whom do you work?
Damn, JW, you really have gone off the deep edge, haven't you?
Hint: When the nice men in the white coats come to take you away
to the funny farm, don't fight them.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"There's a sucker born every minute" - David Hannum (often
erroneously attributed to P. T. Barnum)
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| | From: | Aratzio | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:32:22 -0800 |
|
|
| On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:32:21 -0500, Michael Davis
transparently proposed:
>knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Forwarded to AUK where this loony rant really belongs.
>
>> Sue wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sue wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
>>
>> doubt
>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>>>>would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>>people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
>>
>> question.
>>
>>>>>>>It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific
>>>>
>>>>date
>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
>>>>>>>Sue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
>>
>> "environmentalists?"
>>
>>>>>>Sheeeesh.
>>>>>
>>>>>Read the book or are you afraid to?
>>>>>Sue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
>>
>> world.
>>
>>>>I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before my
>>>>eyes.
>>>
>>>Your eyes can see global warming?
>>
>>
>> No, I see and read about the factores creating what is called "climate
>> change."
>>
>>
>>>Wow. We just had a whole bunch of
>>>rain so my eyes tell me there isn't any such thing. The news shows
>>>all that snow in the Sierras so there is no global warming if I rely
>>>on my eyes. Relying on one's eyes alone would also lead one in
>>>Minnesota to believe there is no such thing. Please do remember that
>>>global warming is the topic.
>>
>>
>> Yup, and the sypmtoms of climate change is more and wider swings in
>> climate extremes.
>>
>>
>>>The book (which I have just finished) has a bibliography of about
>>
>> 165
>>
>>>books, scientific journals and studies - probably many that you have
>>>read.
>>
>>
>> I've read a few.
>>
>>
>>>IOW the author did homework.
>>
>>
>> Then he wrote a fiction book interlaced with facts.
>>
>>
>>
>>>There's nothing more pathetic
>>>than someone who has made up his mind and refuses to consider any
>>>other possibilities.
>>>Sue
>>
>>
>> I would be the first to investigate a "global warming" conspiracy if it
>> made sense.
>> The problem is that the bigger goal of the world controlers of wiping
>> out 90% of the human race doesn't jive with a hoax of global warming. T
>> he controllers that have their compounds 5 miles underground in
>> Balarat, Clorado, et al. are using whatever means they can to kill off
>> the "useless eaters" while being sure to line their pockets as you and
>> your friends die off.
>> Thus they will pollute us to death, while lining their pockets,
>> thinking they will live to repopulate the planet after the die off.
>> These people are long term thinkers and are quite patient. They don't
>> care if it takes 50 years of insidious and creeping decline as it gives
>> them more time to bleed off the life blood and labors of those who will
>> die.
>> You see they don't care about you and me.
>> These are old money people who have had their way for 100's of years.
>> For whom do you work?
>
>Damn, JW, you really have gone off the deep edge, haven't you?
>Hint: When the nice men in the white coats come to take you away
>to the funny farm, don't fight them.
You were missed at the last Cabal (tinc) meeting in Balarat, Mike. You
missed a very fine Eater souffle and a '61 Mouton Rothschild. Do try
to make this month meeting.
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| | From: | Sue | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:45:15 GMT |
|
|
| On 18 Jan 2005 20:36:53 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Sue wrote:
>> On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Sue wrote:
>> >> On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Sue wrote:
>> >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
>doubt
>> >you
>> >> >> would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe
>and
>> >> >> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
>question.
>> >> >> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific
>> >date
>> >> >is
>> >> >> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
>> >> >> Sue
>> >> >
>> >> >Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
>"environmentalists?"
>> >> >Sheeeesh.
>> >>
>> >> Read the book or are you afraid to?
>> >> Sue
>> >
>> >
>> >I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
>world.
>> >I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before my
>> >eyes.
>>
>> Your eyes can see global warming?
>
>No, I see and read about the factores creating what is called "climate
>change."
>
>>Wow. We just had a whole bunch of
>> rain so my eyes tell me there isn't any such thing. The news shows
>> all that snow in the Sierras so there is no global warming if I rely
>> on my eyes. Relying on one's eyes alone would also lead one in
>> Minnesota to believe there is no such thing. Please do remember that
>> global warming is the topic.
>
>Yup, and the sypmtoms of climate change is more and wider swings in
>climate extremes.
>
>> The book (which I have just finished) has a bibliography of about
>165
>> books, scientific journals and studies - probably many that you have
>> read.
>
>I've read a few.
>
>>IOW the author did homework.
>
>Then he wrote a fiction book interlaced with facts.
Possibly to get to a wider audience. The bastard!!
>
>
>>There's nothing more pathetic
>> than someone who has made up his mind and refuses to consider any
>> other possibilities.
>> Sue
>
>I would be the first to investigate a "global warming" conspiracy if it
>made sense.
>The problem is that the bigger goal of the world controlers of wiping
>out 90% of the human race doesn't jive with a hoax of global warming. T
>he controllers that have their compounds 5 miles underground in
>Balarat, Clorado, et al. are using whatever means they can to kill off
>the "useless eaters" while being sure to line their pockets as you and
>your friends die off.
>Thus they will pollute us to death, while lining their pockets,
>thinking they will live to repopulate the planet after the die off.
>These people are long term thinkers and are quite patient. They don't
>care if it takes 50 years of insidious and creeping decline as it gives
>them more time to bleed off the life blood and labors of those who will
>die.
>You see they don't care about you and me.
>These are old money people who have had their way for 100's of years.
>For whom do you work?
Merced County (CA) Human Services (the dreaded welfare office). What
did you expect? Shell Oil?
I believe I'm beginning to understand you. Ahem.
Sue
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| | From: | G. R. L. Cowan | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:22:53 -0500 |
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| Sue wrote:
>
> On 18 Jan 2005 20:36:53 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Sue wrote:
> >> On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sue wrote:
> >> >> On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sue wrote:
> >> >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
> >doubt
> >> >you
> >> >> >> would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe
> >and
> >> >> >> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
> >question.
> >> >> >> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific
> >> >date
> >> >> >is
> >> >> >> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
> >> >> >> Sue
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
> >"environmentalists?"
> >> >> >Sheeeesh.
> >> >>
> >> >> Read the book or are you afraid to?
> >> >> Sue
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
> >world.
> >> >I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before my
> >> >eyes.
> >>
> >> Your eyes can see global warming?
> >
> >No, I see and read about the factores creating what is called "climate
> >change."
> >
> >>Wow. We just had a whole bunch of
> >> rain so my eyes tell me there isn't any such thing. The news shows
> >> all that snow in the Sierras so there is no global warming if I rely
> >> on my eyes. Relying on one's eyes alone would also lead one in
> >> Minnesota to believe there is no such thing. Please do remember that
> >> global warming is the topic.
> >
> >Yup, and the sypmtoms of climate change is more and wider swings in
> >climate extremes.
> >
> >> The book (which I have just finished) has a bibliography of about
> >165
> >> books, scientific journals and studies - probably many that you have
> >> read.
> >
> >I've read a few.
> >
> >>IOW the author did homework.
> >
> >Then he wrote a fiction book interlaced with facts.
>
> Possibly to get to a wider audience. The bastard!!
>
> >
> >
> >>There's nothing more pathetic
> >> than someone who has made up his mind and refuses to consider any
> >> other possibilities.
> >> Sue
> >
> >I would be the first to investigate a "global warming" conspiracy if it
> >made sense.
> >The problem is that the bigger goal of the world controlers of wiping
> >out 90% of the human race doesn't jive with a hoax of global warming. T
> >he controllers that have their compounds 5 miles underground in
> >Balarat, Clorado, et al. are using whatever means they can to kill off
> >the "useless eaters" while being sure to line their pockets as you and
> >your friends die off.
> >Thus they will pollute us to death, while lining their pockets,
> >thinking they will live to repopulate the planet after the die off.
> >These people are long term thinkers and are quite patient. They don't
> >care if it takes 50 years of insidious and creeping decline as it gives
> >them more time to bleed off the life blood and labors of those who will
> >die.
> >You see they don't care about you and me.
> >These are old money people who have had their way for 100's of years.
> >For whom do you work?
>
> Merced County (CA) Human Services (the dreaded welfare office). What
> did you expect? Shell Oil?
On gasoline sold within California,
your employer's take much exceeds
that of any and all Shell shareholders.
> I believe I'm beginning to understand you. Ahem.
Understand him? You probably see him twice a month.
He does much to make belief in global warming look foolish.
However, I don't think it is.
-- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
How individual mobility gains nuclear cachet
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800 |
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|
|
Sue wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>
> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I doubt you
> would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe and
> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into question.
> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific date
is
> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
> Sue
Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of "environmentalists?"
Sheeeesh.
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| | From: | Alex Terrell | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 07:33:23 -0800 |
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|
| Don't worry about him. A lot of people deny evolution based on the fact
that they weren't around the last million years to witness it, whilst
claiming you can't dispute the Earth is only 6,000 years old because
you weren't there 6,000 years ago.
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| | From: | Michael Davis | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:59 -0500 |
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| Alex Terrell wrote:
> Don't worry about him. A lot of people deny evolution based on the fact
> that they weren't around the last million years to witness it, whilst
> claiming you can't dispute the Earth is only 6,000 years old because
> you weren't there 6,000 years ago.
>
You've got it backwards, sonny. The pseudo-religious cult-like mentality
of the global warming believers is indistinguishable from the
bible-thumping evolution deniers. Both groups choose to believe in their
mythology of choice in spite of the total lack of any supporting
evidence whatsoever. HTH.
By the way, you really need to learn how to quote what you are
responding to so people know what you are talking about.
--
The Evil Michael Davis(tm)
http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"There's a sucker born every minute" - David Hannum (often erroneously
attributed to P. T. Barnum)
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| | From: | Sue | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:12:07 GMT |
|
|
| On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Sue wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
>>
>> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I doubt you
>> would get very far into it as it goes against what you believe and
>> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into question.
>> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why scientific date
>is
>> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
>> Sue
>
>Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of "environmentalists?"
>Sheeeesh.
Read the book or are you afraid to?
Sue
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| | From: | knews4u2chew at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: But There Ain't No Global Warming. | | Date: | 18 Jan 2005 20:38:53 -0800 |
|
|
|
Sue wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2005 20:25:04 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Sue wrote:
> >> On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sue wrote:
> >> >> On 17 Jan 2005 16:31:30 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sue wrote:
> >> >> >> On 16 Jan 2005 11:16:27 -0800, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I suggest you read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. I
> >doubt
> >> >you
> >> >> >> would get very far into it as it goes against what you
believe
> >and
> >> >> >> people seem to shun that which calls their beliefs into
> >question.
> >> >> >> It's quite interesting in that it shows how and why
scientific
> >> >date
> >> >> >is
> >> >> >> manipulated to meet the agenda of the environmentalists.
> >> >> >> Sue
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is The Union of Concerned Scientists a group of
> >"environmentalists?"
> >> >> >Sheeeesh.
> >> >>
> >> >> Read the book or are you afraid to?
> >> >> Sue
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I've watched over 45 years of environmental degradation in the
> >world.
> >> >I don't need a fiction book to explain the reality right before
my
> >> >eyes.
> >>
> >> Snicker. I'm not at all surprised that you refuse to read the
book.
> >
> >I'm not afraid to read the book.
> >I am too busy reading factual reports and watching the environmetal
> >destruction right before my eyes.
> >When you grow up in a few years and there are no more fish, no water
to
> >drink, or no air to breath, MAYBE you will wake up.
> >
> >> The reviewer for the SF Chron didn't much care for it (no surprise
> >> there), but at least s/he presumably read it. BTW many
non-fiction
> >> scientific studies are cited by the author.
> >> Sue
> >
> >Show me ONE part of the environment that IS NOT IN DECLINE.
>
> The issue was not the decline of the environment. I have no argument
> with you there. The issue (see subject of thread) was global
warming.
> Sue
"Global warming" is the usual term regarding "cimate change."
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