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>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:07:23 -0800 (PST)
>From: w_b_ryan@yahoo.com ("William B. Ryan")
>Subject: Re: World Social Forum 2005 UNILETS resolution?
>To: TURMEL@ncf.ca
>JCT: Once again, John The Engineer Turmel can't attend
The "Anti-Poverty Establishment" has proven to be to
the anti-poverty engineer
the Abolitionist Engineer.
As the world's foremost Professor of Banking Systems
Engineering
Consulting Engineer of the LETS (Local Employment-Trading
System) anti-poverty program.
My Advanced Banking Systems Engineering Analysis
John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
I am known as John "The Anti-Poverty Engineer"
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BR: Except he ain't an engineer, just a conman, a phony.
Never worked a day in his life as an engineer.
JCT: 25 years on my AIR Project (Abolish Interest Rates)
"Interest Rate Protester"
"Bank Basher"
"Bank Fighter Extraordinaire"
I never worked in Banking Systems Engineering a day in my
life? http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm is my
advanced engineering analysis on the banking system I've bet
is correct and no one, not Ryan either, has ever bet UNILETS
interest-free world-wide credit network isn't Heaven on
Earth. Actually, technically, that any interest-free
currency system exhibits no inflation nor involuntary
unemployment. If i=0%, J=0% and U=0%. Real tough analysis to
defend and what they call my "Miracle Equation" predicting
what ratio of debtors lose to the others survive stand
uncontroverted a quarter century after I first bet on it.
So Alfred was the einstein of nuclear engineering and I'm
the einstein of banking engineering. What's hard to get?
BR: Claims to have a diploma but won't open his transcripts.
JCT: http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/diploma.jpg or bmp
BR: Actually a professional gambler - but wouldn't look so
good calling himself John [the gambler] Turmel.
JCT: Actually, it's not that I don't call myself The
Engineer because I'm ashamed of being the world's top limit
Holdem poker player known as "The Professor" at the Taj
Mahal in Atlantic City where I earned my living for 5 years.
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/credits.htm
It's that whenever I did anything of merit with respect to
banking systems engineering, the media would label it not
"Banking Systems Engineer v. Bank Governor Gerald Bouey" in
Federal Court, they would always write "Gambler v. Banker"
in court. Excuse me if my infamy as having run the biggest
gaming house ever busted in Canadian history, O.P.P. Project
Robin Hood, taking down my 28-table 155 employee private
gaming parlor could never leave the reporters minds no
matter what other achievement I was aiming at. That's why I
always the traditional white hard-hat with "The Engineer"
written so that no matter what they joke about me, people
have to feel funny laughing at someone they know has a grade
17 or more in science. I actually enjoyed almost 22 years in
math and science academe. Got fired as Teaching Assistant of
the Mathematics of Gambling Course at Carleton University
in Ottawa in 1978 for running a Blackjack game in the
Faculty Lounge.
But the fact I'm now known as the TajProfessor to the
online poker community where I publish my works as a
professional gambler, after all the Ontario Court of Appeal
decision in the Robin Hood bust was guilty because the
"exceptionally skilled professional gambler" was too good.
They got their decision wrong even if they got their
description right.
So what if I'm a sharp Poker Systems Engineer. Actually, no
one online can boast a professorship in poker systems
engineering other me, inventor of the Turmel2Step Outs to
Odds counting system.
http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel2step
The point is figuring out how the central money lenders make
their chips malfunction isn't all that much of an
achievement in the eyes of poker players who see perfectly
functioning tokens on the table every time they play. Why
can't money work as perfectly as poker chips? Interest. Only
interest at the birth of the money.
So I made fixing the malfunction in the chips a project.
Much like I tried to fix the malfunctions the the Brantford
Charity Casino Poker rules. Just to make it work better.
Just to make work better for the customer. Me. I'm a
Guinness record World's Richest Pauper and I've had a major
impact on my slavery. I got the blueprint for switching off
my debt chains on the Millennium Declaration. Who else are
you going to call Spartacus? Got any other nominations for
toughest slave on the planet?
So that's why I stress John "The Engineer" in politics where
the orthodox establishment and media belittle me for my
projects by always calling me "The Gambler" does
engineering. The cap really helps beat the media frame-up,
the media smear of anything that looks bad, the media
blackout of anything that looks good. And with all that
fixing of the image of the Engineer who engineered the LETS
anti-poverty system, it's no wonder some people might say:
BR: Waster of cyberspace with his spam.
A fool.
And who is he calling "moles"?
JCT: Anyone who got in the way of engineering Heaven by:
a) restricting banks computers to service charges and
abolishing the interest positive feedback on debt charge;
2) abolishing prohibitions on personal liberties in
gambling, , drugs and rock & roll.
The reason BR could come so out on a limb about me having no
diploma is that I never responded (while I didn't have the
image file) and only kept telling him to put his money where
his mouth was and when he kept refusing, I kept refusing.
Why do I have to prove anything to him? I'll bet.
Anyway, I've got years of this lunatic's fulminations in my
archives about my not having a degree because I would not
produce it that we might just now lose this loonie's relief.
I'll really freak him out by publishing my Bill Gates poem
at the end.
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:50:41 +1100
>From: telergy@bigpond.com (Graeme Taylor)
>Subject: Re: [ijccr] TURMEL: World Social Time Credits for
>To: TURMEL@ncf.ca
you have finally put together the best historical analysis
of usurious debt that I have read. I still like the idea of
a local infrastructure / sustainability fund, in each local
node cheers Graeme Taylor
JCT: Thanks. Much appreciated.
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:13 +0800
>From: stephen@strohalm.nl (Stephen DeMeulenaere)
>To: TURMEL@ncf.ca
>Subject: Please do not send any more messages to me. Re:
>TURMEL: World Social
SD: Dear John Turmel, I do not share your approach to the
promotion of complementary currency systems, or insistence
on only one type of system and ask that you do not forward
these messages to me anymore.
JCT: He doesn't like my insistence on the optimum system
when he prefers systems with flaws. He wants to stay
ignorant so he continue to slow down the growth of the
interest-free currency movement more than he's done in
impeding my efforts all these years.
SD: Please stay focused on the country and part of the world
you came from, and do not meddle in affairs that you have
clearly displayed your ignorance about.
JCT: Any bets on who history deems the idiot in this
exchange, the Banking Systems Engineering professor or the
Banking Systems Engineering Gilligan?
SD: Your spamming
JCT: In the old days, he'd call my work spam so it could be
banned.
SD: of the participants in WSF 2004 could have caused
serious damage to our seminar and workshops there
JCT: He's one of the guys with access to the the mike who
never talked about the world-wide solution and can't stand
even hearing about the solution he failed to recognize years
ago. Better to let the world croak than admit he's wrong.
SD: and to our efforts to present our work as credible.
JCT: Again, these people who think that the mechanical
engineering of a system is dependent on what people think of
it. Bicycles can't work until more people think they're
credible. Sorry but nothing can make parochial small-system
thinkers like Stephen credible on the world stage. Oh right,
he is on the world stage consciously avoiding any talk of
the world currency solution.
SD: You have no right to do this again for WSF 2005, which
is in complete disrespect to our colleagues from many
countries who will be attending and presenting on our
behalf.
JCT: Considering I have a completely superior education to
deal with banking systems engineering than you do must hurt.
It's far better for you to keep your mouth shut and
let people wonder it it's just that you have nothing
intelligent to say than open it and erase all doubt.
SD: It makes little sense to piss everybody off and then ask
why they are ignoring you, or to present yourself as a
leader when that could not be farther from reality.
JCT: Are you kidding. Few people have done more than you to
sabotage my world-wide panacea with interest-free currency
message. For a guy who's famous for pushing interest-free
currencies at the local level, it must make you feel pretty
stupid to see the world wide system you said could never be
realized coming to life. No wonder you have reason to
suppress it. You've got blood on your hands, sucker.
SD: Please stop stepping on other people, such behaviour is
completely unnecessary.
JCT: People like you prove my point. People like you who
steal my stage and orate on my profession with no technical
credentials to speak of? I'm the Henry Ford of interest-free
currencies, you're just a competent driver with myopia.
SD: Your assistance is not needed or wanted.
Stephen DeMeulenaere
JCT: You've done a pretty good job at keeping LETS small and
ineffectual without my help. After all these years you
hushing your mouth after our last exchanges, it really bugs
you that you'll probably be upstaged by a global thinker to
your myopic view.
Amazing how people can react in different ways. But Stephen
DeMeulenaere is one of those donkeys who came out against a
world-wide system years ago and would rather fight it than
surrender to its logic. The only problem is that people have
been dying to get their UNILETS life-support credit cards
and Stephen got in the way of a lot of souls who didn't make
it.
I think being on the stage of the banking systems
engineering conference instead of the qualified banking
systems engineer is going to his head. He must think he's
worthy of the technical respect I'm due. He's not. I've
picked apart his errors over the years and he's never been
able to take one of my bets to prove he's right. He's always
had to back down when I flashed the cash. I'll debate him
anytime anyplace. How about the ijccr yahoogroup chat line?
All we know is that Stephen is going to be at the World
Social Forum to explain why LETS can't be done world-wide.
Won't he look stupid when he's certainly soon going to be
shown wrong.
And yes, I do think of him as a banker's mole or moron.
Would he have fought my getting interest-free social credits
to all the world's starving masses for any other possible
reason?
The point is that a World Social Forum LETS is a UNILETS and
any online dictionary explains it now. Why don't you go get
UNILETS erased before you keep dissing it in public.
I could operate a World Social Credit System for the World
Social Forum and I'm sure all of their database operators
could too. Then they could get hired by the UN unless the
World Social Forum, as financier of planetary repair, ends
up taking over the functions government can no have orthodox
funding to deliver. Just like Argentinian Creditos funded
municipal services when orthodox funding disappeared.
Finally, somewhere in Brazil is a town where people can
accept work contracts from the city and be paid in bus
tickets. Desmarais did that in Sudbury during the Great
Depression. Harold Ballard paid to build Maple Leaf Gardens
with hockey tickets.
The question is why only one town?
In the whole world?
Perhaps when we get rid of the LETS dinosaurs or when the
World-Wide LETS Engineer shows up to make a presentation to
refute Stephen's erroneous one, then the World Social Forum
may achieve something. But as long as guys like Stephen
demand I not continue pressing for a world-wide interest-
free credit system without daring to make one critique, I
can only feel confidence that that obvious failure has
allowed me to convince even more people that if a moron who
hates my guts as much as this guy does can't offer one thing
to prove me wrong and only foam off at the mouth, maybe the
guy who can bet knows more than the guy who runs away.
Flash the cash, bye bye trash.
--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics
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